Just got back from another trip to Malaga and now I’m even more confused about the approach into AGP.
Every time apart from once, we’ve been taken out to sea and doubled back to land. I was told this was because of the moutains surrounding AGP airport and the steep approach angle.
Once, on a bmi F100 we decended in down the mountains so to speak and landed without going out to sea. Was this because we were in an aircraft capable of that decent, or is there some other explantion.
Today at AGP there appeared to be to some other aircraft landing in via the mountain route rather than out to see.
Can anyone shed any light, its bugging me!
Cheers. :confused:
By: LBARULES - 5th March 2005 at 20:03
Ah right, never knew you could do that! Cheers 🙂
By: LBARULES - 5th March 2005 at 20:03
Ah right, never knew you could do that! Cheers 🙂
By: G-OJET - 5th March 2005 at 18:53
How have you managed to change your user name without reregistering?
Just wondering 🙂
Tom,
Quick email to the webmaster did the trick 😉
Time for a change and all that I thought.
By: G-OJET - 5th March 2005 at 18:53
How have you managed to change your user name without reregistering?
Just wondering 🙂
Tom,
Quick email to the webmaster did the trick 😉
Time for a change and all that I thought.
By: LBARULES - 4th March 2005 at 15:31
How have you managed to change your user name without reregistering?
Just wondering 🙂
By: LBARULES - 4th March 2005 at 15:31
How have you managed to change your user name without reregistering?
Just wondering 🙂
By: G-OJET - 4th March 2005 at 13:11
Thanks for all your replies.
I’m surprised how many of you said its perfectly normal to come down over the mountains. Having only ever done that once on bmi’s F100, I assumed it was something to with aircraft types.
Anyway, you’ve cleared that up for me!
Cheers. 🙂
By: G-OJET - 4th March 2005 at 13:11
Thanks for all your replies.
I’m surprised how many of you said its perfectly normal to come down over the mountains. Having only ever done that once on bmi’s F100, I assumed it was something to with aircraft types.
Anyway, you’ve cleared that up for me!
Cheers. 🙂
By: maffie - 2nd March 2005 at 20:24
LEMG approach
Hi,
Here are the 2 approach plates for LEMG. At 5 DME (Miles from runway) there is a difference of 200 feet in the aircrafts alltitude. Or in other words the glideslope coming over the sea is 3 degrees, over the mountains is 3.2 degrees
http://www.aena.es/csee/ccurl/le_AD_2_lemg_iac_1_en.pdf
http://www.aena.es/csee/ccurl/le_AD_2_lemg_iac_3_en.pdf
Just throwing some light on the subject.
Matt
By: maffie - 2nd March 2005 at 20:24
LEMG approach
Hi,
Here are the 2 approach plates for LEMG. At 5 DME (Miles from runway) there is a difference of 200 feet in the aircrafts alltitude. Or in other words the glideslope coming over the sea is 3 degrees, over the mountains is 3.2 degrees
http://www.aena.es/csee/ccurl/le_AD_2_lemg_iac_1_en.pdf
http://www.aena.es/csee/ccurl/le_AD_2_lemg_iac_3_en.pdf
Just throwing some light on the subject.
Matt
By: Craigston_Tom - 1st March 2005 at 21:20
Runway 14 approach isnt any steeper than any other approach but can prove a little bit hairy as you get close enought to the mountains. Some passengers think they are going to hit the hills but apart from it looking a bit dodgy its ok.
The approach doesn’t bother me, but the fact that you are close to the hills is, especially the fact that when I arrive at AGP in the summer it will be 23:55 , therefore pitchblack.
Also does anybody have an aerial photo of AGP so that the runways mentioned will be slightly clearer of there positions, as it will give me a better perspective of what the airport is like, for when I go.
Thanks
By: Craigston_Tom - 1st March 2005 at 21:20
Runway 14 approach isnt any steeper than any other approach but can prove a little bit hairy as you get close enought to the mountains. Some passengers think they are going to hit the hills but apart from it looking a bit dodgy its ok.
The approach doesn’t bother me, but the fact that you are close to the hills is, especially the fact that when I arrive at AGP in the summer it will be 23:55 , therefore pitchblack.
Also does anybody have an aerial photo of AGP so that the runways mentioned will be slightly clearer of there positions, as it will give me a better perspective of what the airport is like, for when I go.
Thanks
By: andrewm - 1st March 2005 at 20:08
Yes another thing to note Moondance commented on about runway use. I arrived around 2000 and it was pitch black when we landed. When we took off to go back home in dusk we took off towards the sea. The 2 times i passed AGP during the day they were taking off towards the sea!
By: andrewm - 1st March 2005 at 20:08
Yes another thing to note Moondance commented on about runway use. I arrived around 2000 and it was pitch black when we landed. When we took off to go back home in dusk we took off towards the sea. The 2 times i passed AGP during the day they were taking off towards the sea!
By: wysiwyg - 1st March 2005 at 19:18
14 is usually preferred by UK carriers as there is a big saving on flight time compared to an approach to 32. One thing you have to beware of though (as well as the “Spanish calm” Moondance talks about which is actually a stonking tailwind on the approach!) is the Spanish controllers frequently try to get you to ‘lock on’ the the localiser and glideslope well beyond their promulgated ranges. The signals can be very erratic outside the published ranges and you certainly wouldn’t want to be following a wayward signal between the mountains!
By: wysiwyg - 1st March 2005 at 19:18
14 is usually preferred by UK carriers as there is a big saving on flight time compared to an approach to 32. One thing you have to beware of though (as well as the “Spanish calm” Moondance talks about which is actually a stonking tailwind on the approach!) is the Spanish controllers frequently try to get you to ‘lock on’ the the localiser and glideslope well beyond their promulgated ranges. The signals can be very erratic outside the published ranges and you certainly wouldn’t want to be following a wayward signal between the mountains!
By: SHAMROCK321 - 1st March 2005 at 18:12
Runway 14 approach isnt any steeper than any other approach but can prove a little bit hairy as you get close enought to the mountains. Some passengers think they are going to hit the hills but apart from it looking a bit dodgy its ok.
By: SHAMROCK321 - 1st March 2005 at 18:12
Runway 14 approach isnt any steeper than any other approach but can prove a little bit hairy as you get close enought to the mountains. Some passengers think they are going to hit the hills but apart from it looking a bit dodgy its ok.
By: Moondance - 1st March 2005 at 17:08
Malaga is a classic example of land and sea breezes. Assuming that there are no strong winds being produced by weather systems, the land heats up during the day, causing air to rise overland and the sea breeze to develop….hence a southeasterly wind and 14 in use. Overnight the reverse is true, with the sea being relatively warmer than the land. Here is part of today’s (typical) AGP forecast
LEMG 011100Z 011812 12010KT 9999 SCT018 BKN030 BECMG 0206 30010KT
..note the wind becoming northwesterly overnight as the land breeze develops. 14 is very definitely the preferential approach though, with a direct approach from the north, so its not unusual to be landing 14 with a light tailwind (or the notorious “Spanish Calm”). Nothing unusual about the 14 ILS, except for a slightly steeper glideslope (3.2 degrees, compared with the normal 3 degrees), which I presume is for obstacle clearance.
By: Moondance - 1st March 2005 at 17:08
Malaga is a classic example of land and sea breezes. Assuming that there are no strong winds being produced by weather systems, the land heats up during the day, causing air to rise overland and the sea breeze to develop….hence a southeasterly wind and 14 in use. Overnight the reverse is true, with the sea being relatively warmer than the land. Here is part of today’s (typical) AGP forecast
LEMG 011100Z 011812 12010KT 9999 SCT018 BKN030 BECMG 0206 30010KT
..note the wind becoming northwesterly overnight as the land breeze develops. 14 is very definitely the preferential approach though, with a direct approach from the north, so its not unusual to be landing 14 with a light tailwind (or the notorious “Spanish Calm”). Nothing unusual about the 14 ILS, except for a slightly steeper glideslope (3.2 degrees, compared with the normal 3 degrees), which I presume is for obstacle clearance.
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