Man Made Global Warming / hype (merged)

The global warming theorists and governments all also refuse to acknowledge the fact that, overall, global temperatures have fallen by approx 3 degrees C in the last 15 years.

Man-made Global Warming

Let me start off by saying that I don’t particularly like talking about global warming with a firm believer of the theory that humans are the main cause behind climate change. It’s a waste of time, as I’ve never really seen anybody change their views on the matter, even when presented with the cold hard facts. But I’d like to present to you today my opinion, and I hope that you are able to take something from this article.

I presume that many of you have seen Al Gore’s movie, An Inconvenient Truth. If you have not yet watched it, don’t. I’m also pretty sure that if you did manage to make it through the entire duration of the film, you felt guilty and thought that you must change your ways, or be responsible for the destruction of the planet. But after a week, all you can remember is that it featured Al Gore on a scissor lift, pointing to a graph with a concerned look on his face. However, your opinion will have been formed. When Al Gore showed you his graph with the global temperature and carbon dioxide levels steadily rising, any thoughts of skepticism on your part were vanquished and you immediately dashed around the house, turning off lights and kitchen appliances.

But just think for a minute. If I were to plot the values of, let’s say, the number of people on the earth and the annual military budget of the United States over the past 100 years, both would show a constant increase. But quite obviously, these two are completely unrelated. The number of nuclear submarines that the United States clearly has no effect on how many people are born in China. The same may well be true in the case of carbon dioxide and temperature change.

But wait, you are saying. Surely in I can’t just dismiss your views that quickly? Surely Al Gore, and other tree huggers for that matter, provides more proof of his point?

Just think about it for a moment. No, not really. He just rambles on about the possible consequences of the world getting hotter, such as fluffy polar bears not having anywhere to live, and winter not being quite so cold and wet. The reason for people’s current beliefs in global warming is because that is all they’ve ever been told.

The truth is that the IPCC, which is the intergovernmental panel on climate change, skewed facts to show what Al Gore wanted us to see. Al Gore also tells quite a few lies in his movie, to try and scare people into believing him1. This is often referred to as ‘alarmism’, and is commonly used by people such as Al Gore.

Sure, we’re pumping billions of tons of Carbon into the atmosphere every year, but that doesn’t mean to say that it is causing the earth to heat up. After all, there was a medieval warming period larger than the current one. During this time, it is known that the Vikings grew crops in Greenland, far before we had factories and lawn mowers.

As is so often pointed out the earth hase been here many times before and survived. The Government chooses to ignore any proof of this. The Romans were growing grapes as far north as Hadrian’s Wall and yet in the 18 & 19th centuries the Tahmes at London used to freeze tho a depth sufficient to take the weight of horse drawn carriages and markets. Anyway there is more polution caused in one day by a volcanic eruption than all man made activities produce in a year.

1) All the peer-reviewed scientific opinion in the world currently accepts that man’s activities are contributing to a change in the climate patterns that may spell disaster for the earth.

2) A few conspiracy-theorists, none of them with any expertise in climatology, believe this is not true.

3) I have no descendants who will have to cope with the conditions past 2060

4) Think what you like. But if I for a second believed I’d be walking the earth beyond 2050 I’d be doing something about it NOW. Just in case the climate scientists had got it right.

Moggy

1. That’s exactly the problem – little of the science warmists expound is peer reviewed.

2. This is of course, incorrect.

3. Points 3 and 4 are only relevant to those who, despite all the geological, historical and fossil evidence to the contrary believe that man is responsible for warming the earth. This is quite different to the fact that the climate is always changing, and always will and there is nothing we can do about it. Climactic change will probably wipe us out in a millenia or less, in any case.

Its a good idea to have a firm plan…

The plan should simply be to teach people to build above the projected high water mark, and to build better weather-proof structures. That is where the money should be going, not into the “artificial market”.:mad:

Human pollution is clearly bad for many reasons, health etc, and there could certainly be effects on environment that are not fully understood. Its a good idea to have a firm plan to manage it and reduce it over time.

However, this whole carbon thingy is a scam of the highest order. Taxpayers are sponsoring a bunch of industries who can now make new ‘green’ technology and force their sale to create an artificial market worth billions.

Politicians like it because there nothing like a good scare to keep the population distracted from the financial mess. Environment is a nice vague issue where the bluff can’t be called until decades have passed.

We can’t give back all that money bankers stole from you – but hey we are cleaning up the sky, Right!!!

I think Moggy is basically saying this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

He (in the video) is wrong… and badly.
I think he really underestimates significant changes and hugely detrimental effects with those who want to “Do” the “Yes” column. All of the critics are also under-estimating the ability of free people to adapt to changes posed by the “No” column and perhaps even benefit from it. There’s already solid evidence that animals and plants used to thrive in the polar regions in the past, and there’s no reason to believe that if some of the ice melted, people and animals wouldn’t just adapt.
I personally believe that the real danger is that governments are using this sham to centralize and consolidate power which is a far greater danger. It’s more than evident that it is their worldviews that are driving the issue, rather than the actual data – which is capable of being interpreted in various ways.

And in response to Moggy’s points 1 and 2:
First off, there ARE legitimate scientists arguing strenuously against this stuff, but they are being deliberately ignored, silenced, etc…
Second, it’s disingenuous to just put it down as a bunch of conspiracy theorists. It’s not…

I still vote NO.

Here’s a link to read and think about: http://rps3.com/Files/AGW/Rutan.AGWdataAnalysis%20v11.pdf

And for the record, I do believe that using resources responsibly is needed, but not heavy-handed government takeovers, regulation, and control of businesses.

Ryan

I think Moggy is basically saying this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zORv8wwiadQ

1) All the peer-reviewed scientific opinion in the world currently accepts that man’s activities are contributing to a change in the climate patterns that may spell disaster for the earth.

2) A few conspiracy-theorists, none of them with any expertise in climatology, believe this is not true.

3) I have no descendants who will have to cope with the conditions past 2060

4) Think what you like. But if I for a second believed I’d be walking the earth beyond 2050 I’d be doing something about it NOW. Just in case the climate scientists had got it right.

Moggy

For those interested in this topic, I strongly recommend this website with numerous links:

http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/

Note: at last report, about 140 private jets were being used to transport attendees to the big shindig in Copenhagen.

The earth is in an interglacial period and will warm whether we like it or not. I do not agree with spewing out billions of tons of pollutants into the atmosphere as it contributes to all sorts of respiratory and other diseases, but carbon offsets and the like are a money spinning racket.:mad:

Obviously there is lots going on around the world that does not help the planet,but our poxy little island only contributes a miniscule amount of anything to it,but i am sure our scam managers (grabbing gordon ad nauseum) will ensure we pay heavily.

So true Baz.

Obviously there is lots going on around the world that does not help the planet,but our poxy little island only contributes a miniscule amount of anything to it,but i am sure our scam managers (grabbing gordon ad nauseum) will ensure we pay heavily.

http://www.numberwatch.co.uk/ten_facts_about_global_warming.htm

Global Warming = Huge Cash Cow
Tax the A55 off us :rolleyes:
Bend over tax payers ”for what you are about to receive”

I better clarify my last post and say….”It aint gonna be a tax rebate” thats for sure 😀

Yeah, load of money scamming nonsense. This planet has always heated and cooled since time immemorial. a feature on Jeremy Vine (radio 2) last week about British “scientists” being caught out fiddling the figures to make global warming look man made!

i couldnt agree more!!!

And what i think is DISGUSTING and VILE is how children are being brainwashed into it

This advert is absoutley disgusting, scaring and guilting chilrden its just vile! :mad::mad::mad:

Yeah, load of money scamming nonsense. This planet has always heated and cooled since time immemorial. a feature on Jeremy Vine (radio 2) last week about British “scientists” being caught out fiddling the figures to make global warming look man made!

I better clarify my last post and say….”It aint gonna be a tax rebate” thats for sure 😀

Global Warming = Huge Cash Cow
Tax the A55 off us :rolleyes:
Bend over tax payers ”for what you are about to receive”