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Hi Mark,

Wot a shot!!! Sorry I missed that.

Just got back after 2 weeks away and am now busy catching up on all the postings since the first couple of days of August.

I thought the caption should be something like: Just a few more branches to trim and then we’ll have the shape right!

Greenskeeper, look forward to checking out the DVD.

BR

Laurie.

Trust you to lower the tone of the place again. 🙂

It’s a job and I take my responsibilities very seriously.

Melv

Trust you to lower the tone of the place again. 🙂

I always thought that fulsome referred to young ladies that are built like a photo finish in a Zeppelin race.

Melv

Fulsome is usually meant in a complementary sense, though like a lot of words, can be twisted. John, please take it as a compliment!

Always worth having a copy of Eric Partridges ‘Dictionary of Slang & Unconventional English’ to hand also. Like the other mentioned items, but a lot more fun (though dated).

Apart from all the 5ex words, there’s a host of W.W.II era RAF slang. Now the thread’s REALLY O.T. ain’t it! 😉 Chiz*.

Byeee!

* A word in v. few dictionaries…

Roget’s Thesaurus defines ‘fulsome’ as having several meanings including ‘flattering’ and ‘specious’/’splendid’ and so on.

A word to be avoided.

Mark

You (I) learn something everyday.

I also would have used fulsome in your intended meaning.
I’m not sure I can be bothered to consult Roget for every slightly unusual word. I’ll have to continue risking upsetting people, or use words of one syllable. 🙂

I feel a bit better.

Roget’s Thesaurus defines ‘fulsome’ as having several meanings including ‘flattering’ and ‘specious’/’splendid’ and so on.

A word to be avoided.

Mark

Apologies apologies apologies.

Hey John,

I am very sorry for that.

I just looked up the dictionary as well. Not what I meant at all. 😮

What I thought I was saying and meant to convey was a response full of knowledge and enlightenment.

I always thought this was a ‘generous’ word.

Mark

John Boyle

Thank you for your fulsome response. Without supporting technical data I just made my observations on the similarities between the Cessna family jets.
Mark

Mark,
Sorry if you found my relpy fulsome (which in my dictionary means “disgusting..by being excessive” ) but I wanted to keep the record straight by being clear that the Citation was not an outgrowth of the T-37/A-37 series. Judging from your posts, you seem to very influential with members and I’d hate for a misconception to spread.
There seems to be a lack of knowledge of forum members on U.S. general aviation aircraft, so I try to help with the discussions when I can. As an example, one of the fourm members wasn’t familiar with the T-37/A-37 family, despite it being in service with the USAF for about 45 years.

In your post, you used the word “commonality” which I took to mean parts sharing, if you’s said “family resemblence” them I’d agree with you about the general shape of the nose.
If I wanted to be really fulsome about Eurpoean cars…I could point out that the Jag XK-8 and the Aston Martin DB-7 share a basic platform, or the new Bentley Continental shares its engine block casting with the Volkswagen Pheaton…the list is endless. 🙂

That looks like the entire production run.
I only ever saw one in the flesh, GRP, whatever. Bit off it’s designed stamping ground – a pub car park in Chingford.

It was the entire production – on the day of the official count of 200 for the regulations. A bit of a raucous beast on the public road but great fun. 🙂

Quote:-

“I think it’s fair to say this thread has strayed a bit.”

As the thread starter, I plead guilty but mitigating circumstances.

Mark

That looks like the entire production run.
I only ever saw one in the flesh, GRP, whatever. Bit off it’s designed stamping ground – a pub car park in Chingford.

I think it’s fair to say this thread has strayed a bit…

RS200 rally car…
and built, IIRC, by Reliant Motors of Tamworth.

… at their old empty Shenstone factory assisted by a few of their key workers. 🙂

Mark

RS200 rally car…

And built, IIRC, by Reliant Motors of Tamworth.

For the people that have never visited this country, Reliant were the company that believed the standard four road wheels for a car was excessive.

Just like the commonality between parts in the build of the CAC Boomerang and Wirraway.

As for ejection seats, another major factor apart from the head touching the canopy, in fact moreso than, is the length of a pilot’s legs between waste and knees. If they’re too long and he ejects, bye bye legs.

Packaging

John Boyle

Thank you for your fulsome response. Without supporting technical data I just made my observations on the similarities between the Cessna family jets.

I can’t speak directly for the aviation design world but in the automotive field great cost and time savings are made by utilising, components and ‘packaging chunks’ from other vehicles within family, particularly at the prototyping stage.

Few for example would realise that the Ford RS200 World Rally Car was packaged around the Sierra windscreen, frame, ‘A’ post and a cut down door, albeit it grafted to an innovative,as then, composite chassis.

Mark

JDK,
Take a look at the front end of an early Cessna Citation business jet and see the family resemblance. My guess is there is commonality there. Nobody in my view would design from scratch, the pilots sitting so far apart on a trainer. The A-37 even has a spoiler around the nose to break the the aerodynamic lift of the broad snout.
Mark

Sorry Mark,
None of my various (5 or 6) Cessna histories mention the T-37 as a starting off point for the Citation…or Cessna Fanjet 500 as it was originally named.
The Citation was designed in the late 60s, more than a dozen years after the T-37.

I think the width of the T-37 cockpit can be explained by the engine mounting structure a few feet back…and perhaps concern about the width of the ejection seats. The T-37 is wide, but for years pilots who were too tall got dropped from fight training when it was discovered that fully suited up with helmets, the canopy wouldn’t close over their heads. A 6’5″ acquaintance in Officer Training School was pulled out of class one day, driven across town to Randolph AFB, and suited up. The canopy closed …just barely. The problem occurred because some people have longer torsos than others.

The spoilers you mention were added to the design after initial testing to impove (fix) spinning characteristics.

Around 1957-ish, Cessna did plan and build a mock up of a four seat business jet version in the T-37. Rather like a M-S Paris jet.
It also tried to interest the USAF in it. Photos can be seen in the A-37/T-37 in Action, published by Squadron.

They’re never going to play cricket on deck again, unless I can find the ball

” Lovely bird the Seafire blue sir, lovely plumage” , “is she OK sir , of course shes OK” ” Shes just pining for the Fjords”

If you’re younger than 40 you’ll probably think me mad, nothing like a bit of MP’sFC.

Not at all. I’m only slightly over halfway to 40(and to top it off, American), and I don’t think you mad. I even got a laugh out of it.

” Lovely bird the Seafire blue sir, lovely plumage” , “is she OK sir , of course shes OK” ” Shes just pining for the Fjords”

If you’re younger than 40 you’ll probably think me mad, nothing like a bit of MP’sFC.

Cessna family jets.

Um, I mean a jet Kessna? Gee. They could’ve un-sat-on-it when the develuped it. I mean it’s still, like, flat. Serious.

JDK,

Take a look at the front end of an early Cessna Citation business jet and see the family resemblance. My guess is there is commonality there. Nobody in my view would design from scratch, the pilots sitting so far apart on a trainer. The A-37 even has a spoiler around the nose to break the the aerodynamic lift of the broad snout.

Mark