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Masters Of The Air – A Bit Of Forum Fun

No intention to diss the mini-series before it’s even made, let’s all hope it turns out well.

But I thought I’d start a thread for all the 8th AF movie cliches, then when the series comes we can see how many turn up and how many are avoided.

Some I guess are inevitable – hence I’ll start the ball rolling with

1) Overpaid, oversexed, over here
2) Norden and pickle barrel in the same sentence
3) Religious crew member
4) Young, inexperienced-with-women crew member
5) Overloaded jeep (All ten crew on one jeep?)
6) Argument / fight at the pub with locals (See also #1)
7) Nylons for local girl’s mum and Hershey bar for her siblings)
8) One crew member losing nerve but coming through it to heroism
9) Uncanny absence of anyone other than the US fighting the Germans / ‘Krauts’
9.5) An attractive British woman whose husband / brother was killed at Dunkirk, Singapore, Dieppe, Tobruk, anywhere that the British / Commonwealth were defeated but the United States was not involved
10) Veteran peering over the fence of the overgrown post-war airfield, ideally whilst holding artefact (They wouldn’t dare, would they?)
11) Dog / puppy
12) Carer of dog/puppy not making it. Dog looks sad
13) P51 – Cadillac of the skies! (naaa – Spielberg’s done that once)
14) The only escort fighter ever seen will be P51
15) Retort to #1 Underpaid, undersexed and under Eisenhower
16) See # 9 A senior American Officer will be boffing her by Episode 3
17) B24 doesn’t exist
18) Middle-aged, distinguished looking RAF Liaison Officer wearing faded pilot’s wings. He “did his bit in the first lot”. May well have a wooden leg.
19) Local girl ends up in the club
20) Crew member gets ‘Dear John’ letter from home and goes missing on next mission
21) Jewish crew member who gets shot down over Germany
22) Shots of the waist gunners standing on unfeasibly huge piles of empty shell cases as more spew from their guns
23) Multiple references to the ‘Flying Tigers’ or the ‘Eagle Squadron
24) Complaints about warm beer
25) Mess orderly looks wistfully at baseball bat and glove when owner fails to return
26) Jeep driving on wrong side of road.
27) #26 forces attractive local female driver into a ditch. She then joins ‘yanks’ for a drink at the local
28) Every senior officer seems to spend all his time on the control tower balcony
28.5) Final scene – hundreds of men and every vehicle on the airfield race towards a single shot up B-17. This is usually photographed from the top of a very tall crane and involves a lot of camera zooming
29) Crew member leaves behind his lucky-charm…..and then is shot-down / killed.
30) Worried senior officers crowded on watch tower balcony awaiting the squadron/wing’s return.
31) Same scene – Ground crew play baseball
32) All aircraft return except one …. as last person is about to give up waiting and leave the balcony lo and behold he/she hears a faint noise
33) Following on from above A speck on the horizon as the damaged B17 limps in trailing smoke to a near deadstick landing – lots of shots of pilots manhandling control wheel as if he’s driving a rally car
34) Following on from above Onee u/c leg collapses leaving the aircraft to slide/skid along the ground for about five miles amidst clouds of dust before finally coming to a complete standstill.
35) Off-duty crews will watch a cricket match on a well kept village green with nicely steepled church in background whilst commenting how it’s not as good as watching a “ball” game
36) Crews will take pity on the ragamuffin English kids who are matchstick thin, pasty and suffering from rationing; arranging a party where the kids will be plied with “Candy” and “gum”.
37) Glenn Miller’s “In the Mood” playing on the record player and/or over the airfield tannoy
38) One officer or crew who are one mission away from returning Stateside, will fail to survive their last trip
39) One crew member failing to make it after showing all the new crews a photo of wife/girlfriend/kid/puppy
40) Crew flicking every switch possible in utter panic after getting shot up and an engine stops or sets on fire
41) Shot up damaged aeroplane starts making diving/overspeed noises and shaking violently, even though its still in level flight (I think the violent shaking might be valid)
42) The crew aboard damaged Fort peering ahead to catch sight of the English coast as they lose height over the sea. And of course what they see, and barely clear, will be the White Cliffs of Dover
43) Same crew throwing out everything loose to maintain height.
44) Damaged plane lands safely, amidst much relief and back slapping. One of the crew will climb out and kiss the hardstanding/grass
45) (Refer back to #36) The popular, cheery Sergeant Air Gunner from the Bronx whose idea the kids party was goes west that very morning or next day
46) Crew chief will look at the damage, push back his cap, scratch his head and say “Geee, that’s gonna take some fixing….but we’ll have her ready for you tomorrow Cap’n….”
47) Rookie replacement crew shunned by the bitter old hands – Later explained to them why
48) Crew members playing craps / poker / dice as an officer walks in to the hut/room
49) Crew room banter turning ugly as a streetwise New York American-Italian offends a good ol’ boy from the Praires (or vice versa)
50) A heavily laden B17 barely managing to take off from the runway, lots of angst in the cockpit, shots of straining engines, anxious glances between senior officers on the tower roof/balcony.
51) B17s escorted by the ever faithful Harvards and constantly attacked by French build Me108s and Pilatus P-2s
52) Heroically wounded pilot tells everyone to jump over the airfield then elects to bring aircraft in on his own
53) Alternative outcome for #52 A Cloud of smoke on other side of airfield with fire engines and ambulances heading there
54) Alternative outcome for #52 B Pilot lands plane on one engine and one undercarriage leg, finally dropping plane onto opposite wing at end of runway
55) Alternative outcome for #52 C Tail gunner frightened to jump so assists pilot to complete perfect three point landing
56) Any aircraft seen being shot down must descend to the sound of squadron of Stuka dive bombers with their sirens going
57) Ball turret gunner stuck in the turret and the wheels will not come down, putting the pilot in an impossible situation.
58) CGI 109s fly at warp speed 6 between and through hangars during the obligatory hit and run raid
59) Glenn Miller’s Moonlight Serenade playing the during the love scene where he might not make it back from the next mission. (if he does and she’ll rush across the airfield to greet him)
60) There’s always an ‘Irish’ crew member with ginger hair, one who is a bit of a renegade, likes to fight, Occasionally a home made still producing some ‘refreshment’ liquid
61) Initial distrust and hostility from the comedy local yokels eventually turning to admiration, respect as they decide that the Yanks, are in fact, a jolly decent bunch
62) Locals will have all-purpose Mummersetshire accents, based closer to Dorset than East Anglia
63) Female character, possibly an American in the ATA who gets some character over his fear of X, and/or who sneaks along on an operation and shoots down a fighter

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By: Black Shoe - 15th October 2013 at 19:10

Gosh, you guys are a tough crowd. That said, my offerings.

Pilot (or other crew) calls “Focke Wulf at three o’clock.” 109’s attack the formation.

Mustangs attack German fighters; close up of a P-47’s four fifties firing.

Shot up bomber returning to base with hydraulics out, crew frantically crank the gear down and locked just as they reach the runway.

Bob

BTW, for my money the worst aviation film I’ve ever seen was “Mosquito Squadron.” I felt quite sorry for the poor Mosquitoes, which must have been embarrassed to have taken part. The film lost me at the point when they talked about Barnes Wallis’ new bouncing bomb which could be used on land targets.

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By: j_jza80 - 14th October 2013 at 01:58

An amalgamation of the majority of these cliches: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1558575/

A truly awful film.

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By: Andy in Beds - 14th October 2013 at 01:36

I wish this was in it but I doubt it will be.
It goes something like this–and I read this somewhere recollected by the young man (well he was young at the time)–I think he was a navigator.
“We had three missions to Germany in one week. At the end of the week in our hut, there were only two of us left. We were issued weekend passes to London. I was eighteen years old–what do you think I planned on doing..??? We went to a basement club somewhere full of interesting women. We hadn’t been in there five minutes when a bomb landed close by in the street and the lights went out. Minutes later a Policeman came to top of the stairs with a flash-light (torch) and said: ‘Are there any pregnant women here?’ A broad cockney woman’s voice responded with: ‘Give ’em a f**king chance, they’ve only just got here..!'” Even the copper laughed apparently.

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By: Steve Birdsall - 14th October 2013 at 00:12

I watched Band of Brothers (So annoying that we can’t use BoB as an abbreviation) but haven’t seen Pacific.

Moggy

Haven’t seen Pacific?

Brings another movie title to mind – O Lucky Man!

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By: Mr Creosote - 13th October 2013 at 15:03

US airmen take riotous trip to London, which they find to be populated entirely by embittered Tommies, brassy tarts in doorways, and chirpy Cockney sparrers saying “Cor lumme Guv’nor, strike a light,and no mistyke!”

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By: Moggy C - 7th October 2013 at 10:44

Being a little serious for a moment.

I watched Band of Brothers (So annoying that we can’t use BoB as an abbreviation) but haven’t seen Pacific.

I would guess that what will distinguish both of those from MotA is the fact that they are totally theatre / combat based. MotA will have to deal with the contrast familiar to so many aircrew in WW2 of deadly combat one moment and England, home and beauty the next.

It will be interesting to see how this is handled; much of what we now see as clichés became such because they did actually happen. Avoiding them because that bit of the story has been told before will be difficult.

I don’t envy the producer / director / scriptwriters. They have a difficult task. Let’s just wish them the very best of luck and hope for something watchable.

Let’s be honest – the BoB movie has become a forum favourite, and that is no stranger to cliché. (It can’t all be down to Section Officer Harvey, can it?)

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By: Moggy C - 7th October 2013 at 10:34

😀 😀 😀 😀

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By: J Boyle - 7th October 2013 at 10:31

Well, at least the RAF bombed Dresden. 250 B17’s sent to bomb it the morning after hit Prague by mistake.

At least the 8th didn’t kill Glenn Miller. 🙂

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By: Moggy C - 7th October 2013 at 10:12

I know its for “fun”, but I,d like to say thanks that the cliché,s became known to us originally, thru fact…

It goes without saying – but thanks for saying it 🙂

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By: batsi - 6th October 2013 at 09:39

B17 takes off to the sound of merlin engines.

waist gunner shoots down fighter switch to shot of exploding spitfire.

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By: Moggy C - 6th October 2013 at 09:24

You should have left the numbers out Rob. You probably don’t want to hear that you’ve got 9 and 28 twice…

Yes, so I have. The numbering was a convenience so that when the series starts we can tick them off by number. I have done a bodge fix

Thx for the heads up

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By: bazv - 6th October 2013 at 06:20

Something I’ve always wondered when bombing on the lead aircraft…

…did the ‘togglier’ simply wait to see the lead aircraft’s bombs fall before dropping his own?

Yes … as soon as the togglier saw the first bomb drop out of the formation lead ship – he would ‘pickle’ the button

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By: dhfan - 6th October 2013 at 05:28

You should have left the numbers out Rob. You probably don’t want to hear that you’ve got 9 and 28 twice…

Damaged aeroplane diving/overspeeding isn’t restricted to 8th AF films, any aircraft in any film receivng the slightest damage, even one bullet hole somewhere unimportant, will immediately go into a screaming terminal velocity dive.

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By: nuuumannn - 6th October 2013 at 00:52

Don’t forget the ole ‘Fifty Mission Crush’ cap on a jaunty angle and fur lined bomber jacket with “The Mighty 8th” emblazoned on it.

“Hey kid, you wanna Hershey’s bar?”

“Yes please…”

“So do I, kid…”

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By: Bruggen 130 - 5th October 2013 at 21:25

Well, at least the RAF bombed Dresden. 250 B17’s sent to bomb it the morning after hit Prague by mistake.

They must have used co-ordinates supplied by the Brits, thats one for Moggy list:D

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By: hampden98 - 5th October 2013 at 20:30

Your not wrong Moggy, what the Americans seem to so conveniently forget is that they are the only nation on planet earth to use nuclear weapon on another
country not once but twice, they seem to bang on about Dresden and Hamburg but the above seem fair game, is area Bombing only OK if you do it in Daylight?

Well, at least the RAF bombed Dresden. 250 B17’s sent to bomb it the morning after hit Prague by mistake.

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By: Bruggen 130 - 5th October 2013 at 20:00

Correct

It always amuses me that proponents of the Eight are often scathing about RAF area bombing, whilst over in the Far East the US, having learned from Bomber Command, did little else in the Japanese homeland.

Moggy

Your not wrong Moggy, what the Americans seem to so conveniently forget is that they are the only nation on planet earth to use nuclear weapon on another
country not once but twice, they seem to bang on about Dresden and Hamburg but the above seem fair game, is area Bombing only OK if you do it in Daylight?

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By: adrian_gray - 5th October 2013 at 17:30

Apologies if it’s already appeared but…

“Flak’s so thick y’ could get out and walk on it”

Adrian

(compare scenes where this is said in Memphis Belle and Memphis Belle, guess which is scarier…)

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By: knifeedgeturn - 5th October 2013 at 17:15

What about the gay one? haven’t seen much of him….. and the one named Kowalski (always one named Kowalski) and the use of the phrase “looks like we got company”

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By: David_Kavangh - 5th October 2013 at 15:31

It seems to me that if they couldn’t use any of the cliches mentioned on this thread they just wouldn’t have a story, and they would just be left with the quiet crewman sitting alone on the grass writing, or reading poetry.

And don’t forget. The quiet intellectual poet is an Irish American boy (probably a red head) who quotes Y B Yeats with the background music of “Danny Boy” to which the whole crew then join in.

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