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Maybe I should know it…

…but if so, I am blocked…

The picture is from modelforum.cz. Can anyone name the aircraft in the background? The Bf 109 wreck in the foreground says the picture is a WWII one, so the aircraft in the background should be one too. I thought I knew them all:confused:?

Thank you for your efforts, and regards, RT

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By: Romantic Techno - 25th July 2012 at 17:04

Thank you for your answers, especially to Ridge Runner, who found it!:)

(Thank god it was a difficult one…:o)

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By: BSG-75 - 25th July 2012 at 10:20

http://www.alexdenouden.nl/artikelen/koolhoven06.htm

I think you have it (there are some UGLY types here as well…)

nice find.

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By: Ridge Runner - 25th July 2012 at 10:14

Koolhoven Fk.56.

Credit to Noyade (PPrune SC) although it is a challenge I posted on SC a while back!

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By: FarlamAirframes - 25th July 2012 at 09:18

The 109 is from the 6th Staffel of JG26 – the ibex symbol was used on 109E’s from 39 to 40.

Ass mentioned the lack of mottling on the fuselage also means that it is early war.

So where were JG26 based in the “Fall of France”

http://www.lexikon-der-wehrmacht.de/Gliederungen/Jagdgeschwader/JG26.htm

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By: Lazy8 - 25th July 2012 at 08:06

Any chance of a better scan?

I don’t think it’s a Vindicator. I had wondered if it was a prototype or demonstrator of something that didn’t see series production. I was leaning towards something Seversky, perhaps, as they had several European demonstrators of various types – but there looks as if there’s the frame of another one to the right of the picture. And there’s something painted under the wing. It might say ‘ARMY’, but it’s really not clear enough.

Can one of our Luftwaffe experts tell us where and when the 109 might have met it’s end? That might help too.

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By: steve_p - 25th July 2012 at 00:36

http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/galleries/vindicator48ep_1.htm

Chesapeake to the Royal Navy – long take off run and not used “Front line”, the model here has a two blade prop like the one in the picture, FAA had three blades but it could be – wings look a tad short though to be 100% certain ? Plus, is there a tail strut on the aircraft ? Hard to see, but the Vindicator didn’t have one.

The thing that gets me is the constant dihedral from the wing root. Dihedral only occurred on the outer wings of the Vindicator. The undercarriage looks correct and that tailplane strut could well be a dive brake or flap that is in the process of falling off.

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By: steve_p - 25th July 2012 at 00:05

I’m not convinced that it is a Vindicator though it is close.

Here is a Vindicator:

http://fighters.forumactif.com/t32389p90-1-48-azur-vought-v-156-f-vindicator-finito-23-03

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By: BSG-75 - 24th July 2012 at 23:03

That might tie in with the ‘109’s colour scheme…

http://www.hyperscale.com/2010/galleries/vindicator48ep_1.htm

Chesapeake to the Royal Navy – long take off run and not used “Front line”, the model here has a two blade prop like the one in the picture, FAA had three blades but it could be – wings look a tad short though to be 100% certain ? Plus, is there a tail strut on the aircraft ? Hard to see, but the Vindicator didn’t have one.

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By: DazDaMan - 24th July 2012 at 21:50

That might tie in with the ‘109’s colour scheme…

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By: super sioux - 24th July 2012 at 21:11

Vought V-156F dive-bomber!

It looks like its one of 39 ordered by France and equipping 2 squadrons in 1940. One squadron wiped out on first day of action, second fought rearguard action along the Channel coast before withdrawing to Southern France and action against the invading Italian forces. Info provided by ‘Combat aircraft of World War Two’, Arms and Armour Press .

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By: Arm Waver - 24th July 2012 at 20:31

I initially thought SAAB B17 but not quite there…

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By: BSG-75 - 24th July 2012 at 20:22

thats a BF-109E for certain, I thought SAAB dive bomber type as well (but its not a Swedish B17)
its not ugly enough (;) ) be be an early WW II french type is it ?

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By: DazDaMan - 24th July 2012 at 20:15

The ‘109 is an E-model, possibly an E-3 judging by the windscreen and colour scheme, which dates it between 1939-1940.

The plane in the background – no idea. Probably not German, though. I thought Swedish for a moment, but no idea why.

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