MBDA Meteor…whats the point?

Well i was born and live in Australia, my parents are Greek Cyptiot, ive been back a few times but since my business is based here then i guess here is where im staying till i decide to sell it for millions and retire on the beach in Cyprus (ok, let me dream a little :P)

I’m lost….

I know, quite funny isn’t it. I guess Euro parents, perhaps he has dual citizenship.

Daniel

For the economical side, as long as Europe don’t want to waste too much money into their army, the USa can save lots of margins because of the raw number.

It’s not about economics (if it were we could close down the European defense industry and switch off the lights) it is about independence- to wit: Venezuela and the C-295 or Gripen and all the export customers. The Meteor will be the premier Western BVRAAM in the coming years.

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“As a European” you should know by now that European BVR exist for some decades:Aspide, Skyflash, MICA. The problem is if the Europeans could make a missile as good, reliable and economical as US can.

For the economical side, as long as Europe don’t want to waste too much money into their army, the USa can save lots of margins because of the raw number.

As a European (Although i was born and live in Australia).

I’m lost….

As a European (Although i was born and live in Australia) im bloody proud of the fact that the EU is producing its own BVM missile.

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“As a European” you should know by now that European BVR exist for some decades:Aspide, Skyflash, MICA. The problem is if the Europeans could make a missile as good, reliable and economical as US can.

As a European (Although i was born and live in Australia) im bloody proud of the fact that the EU is producing its own BVM missile. Its finally begining show some independance from the US in its defence dealings. The US has managed to get itself in the position where it has the final say as to which countries get what weapons and uses diplomatic arm twisting to force other countries to bow to its decisions.

Just because a country does not have a foreign policy that does not go hand in hand with that of the US does not mean it is not allowed to purchase whatever weapons it wants (within reason, im not saying that the Russians should go out and sell SS-18’s to anyone who passes a credit check).

Personally i think this will give other countries an opportunity to purchase a complete air force package from the EU and not have to worry about losing most of the armament options because US congress votes against it.

Personally i would like to see the Meteor exported widelly as a counter to the AMRAAM and to the range of Russian BVM’s. (Chinese SU-30MKK’s armed with AA-11’s and Meteors, a european AESA radar and powered by the AL-41F *drools*)

So , could the missile actually have a switch to set it to air-to-ground mode? Suprised noone has actually thought of that before

It has been thought of before in this thread 😀 – MULTI-ROLE METEOR http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=29303

It’s basically a matter of adding a multi-mode seeker and GPS/INS to give it a a2g role, the warhead wouldn’t be that impressive but it could prove very useful against some targets.

So , could the missile actually have a switch to set it to air-to-ground mode? Suprised noone has actually thought of that before

Why are the UK Govt spending so much money on buying the MBDA Meteor BVR AAM. As the RAF have already got a BVR missile in service, the AIM-120C AMRAAM?

Surely we don’t need two types of BVR AAM in service?

The main benefit of the Meteor is that it slightly improves the export potential of the Typhoon, Rafale and Gripen to countries that don’t want to or can’t buy the AMRAAM.

Possible future benefits include anti-radar/surface attack variants of the Meteor. http://www.bayernchemie-protac.com/meteor.htm

Its very difficult to comment on seeker performance considering how classified this area of technology is but on the other hand the Meteor seeker will be based on the one fitted to the MICA which is apparently very good.

MICA has a superior engagement envelope compared to Meteor at realistically short ranges.

There are various factors, firstly the RAF and other European nations needed a missile which would out perform the next generation of Eastern Block missiles. This reflects the fact that whilst the US intended to use Stealth to close on he enemy to engage with AMRAAM the less Stealthy European types would benefit from more stand off range.

Secondly as already mentioned the partner countries for the Eurofighter did not want to have every Eurofighter sale scuppered because the US congress blocked the armament package.

Its very difficult to comment on seeker performance considering how classified this area of technology is but on the other hand the Meteor seeker will be based on the one fitted to the MICA which is apparently very good.

What AMRAAM version has a 100km NEZ?That’s right none.

It is virtually certain that the continually updated AIM-120C will have superior seeker performance over the underfunded Meteor.

Any advantage that the Meteor might have at the limits of the engagement envelope will be compromised by the limited autonimous acquisition range.

The Meteor program might have great significance to the European aerospace industry, but it represent poor value to the taxpayers of the participating countries.

What you think is not neccessarily the reality :rolleyes:

It is virtually certain that the continually updated AIM-120C will have superior seeker performance over the underfunded Meteor.

Dream on…

The Meteor should be a superior weapon to the AIM-120C, and it will enhance the EU aerospace industry, as well as what sekant said. It should also be a viable competitor to the later AMRAAM variants that are now being worked on.

It is virtually certain that the continually updated AIM-120C will have superior seeker performance over the underfunded Meteor.

Any advantage that the Meteor might have at the limits of the engagement envelope will be compromised by the limited autonimous acquisition range.

The Meteor program might have great significance to the European aerospace industry, but it represent poor value to the taxpayers of the participating countries.

The Meteor should be a superior weapon to the AIM-120C, and it will enhance the EU aerospace industry, as well as what sekant said. It should also be a viable competitor to the later AMRAAM variants that are now being worked on.

A priori, to be in a position to export the EF/typhoon without being held hostage to the US (i.e. if there was no alternative to the AMRAAM for the EF, every export sale would have de facto to be approved by the US Congress of the United States).

Maybe RAF thinks that US will not release the newest AMRAAM model technology to them,just like they are doing now in the case of F-35 and therefore felt the need to develop an European ingenious missile so they dont need to depend on anyone.