Me 109 Stick Top.

The more I look at that picture I could imagine, that it´s really one with the filled slot for the parking break handle.
When you compare the position of the handle at the MIG picture it´s exactly at the position of the scratched part with complete loss of colour.
So the engraving could been made afterwards.
To be sure, we´d need a look to the inner of the shaft.
Regards,
Herbert

You welcome. By the way you have a great webpage.
Here´s a good picture of a MIG grip.
Regards,
Herbert

Puukka, you have taught me something today… I never knew the Soviets used the KG13 design postwar. Thanks for that! 🙂

Lynn

Interestingly, these correct cap head screws weren´t anymore produced after the war. That´s why the restorers need to take flat screws like these at the grip. For my instrument panels I use replicas of the correct screws.

Not much difference, but the head tops are bent.

Ah, so not ‘cap head screws’ at all.

Halbrundkopf – halb (half) rund (round) kopf (head) – half round head!

Bloody obvious now! (Sorry, languages not my strong point.)

But an even more subtle difference between German wartime and Soviet post-war production.

Well spotted!

Interesting identification feature…but what did the Soviets have against cap head screws?

Interestingly, these correct cap head screws weren´t anymore produced after the war. That´s why the restorers need to take flat screws like these at the grip. For my instrument panels I use replicas of the correct screws.
Here some detail pictures of my grip:
Not much difference, but the head tops are bent.
The MIG 15 and 17 grips needed a slot for the hand break lever.
Either this one was used in another type of soviet aircraft, or the slot is filled and overpainted, as I have seen before. Anyway I´ve never seen a Luftwaffe grip with the safety bracket painted in red.

Regards,
Herbert

All wartime had Halbrundkopf – screws.

If I’ve got this right:

Halbrundkopf = Cap Head Screw (Allen Bolt).

Interesting identification feature…but what did the Soviets have against cap head screws?

Seems, this specific one was used by the Russians.

All wartime had Halbrundkopf – screws.

Regards,
Herbert

Herbert

I respect your knowledge of these kinds of items but to know just by the types of screws used is just mind blowing!! (in a nice way;) ).

Knowing that it is post war then, yes I think the asking price is a little off the mark as it were but as a Mig stick top I think it has to be a real good one, would be interesting to see how much it would go for as an auction.

Regards,

John.

Damm pricey indeed to me if it’s had Russian usage/handling, no thanks.

damm pricey as well:eek:

Is it? A correct Spitfire or Hurricane would be the same price in these days.
But you are right, if there´s not everything´s allright with it, I wouldn´t pay that much.
There are replica labels and other parts of the grip around, so hard to say, what might be original.
As I remember right, this specific one was sold few weeks before. Seems the buyer didn´t take it at the end, whatever reason.
Take a look at a MIG 17 with this sort of grip and the red safety bracket.

Regards,
Herbert

Seems, this specific one was used by the Russians.

As you might know, the factory producing them was at the eastern part of Germany.
The russian used them for MIG 15 and 17 as well.
The red colour at the safety bracket indicates a russian usage.
All screws at this grip are postwar.

All wartime had Halbrundkopf – screws.

Regards,
Herbert

Yep, that’s a KG13 column as used in 109Gs and others, nice piece too, damm pricey as well:eek: