ME110 Force Landing behind the Church at Stansted Kent August 1940

No that’s 5F+CM at Goodwood Home Farm, Chichester on 21st July 1940, the M has been censored in the photo.

Mark P

This photograph is from The Sphere, 3rd August 1940. I don’t know if it’s your aircraft, as there are no location details, but the date is about right and it is a Bf 110.

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Regards,

Simon

So how do I go about posting a picture of my relic?!

If I can post a picture of the Disc I have, would you be able to identify where it came from

It’s very possible. Although there may have been several of these disc shaped access hatches dotted around the aircraft, seeing your piece might help to narrow down precisely where it was located based on it’s colour and shape etc. 🙂

Thank you Andy.If I can post a picture of the Disc I have, would you be able to identify where it came from.It has no markings on it.It has a red button in the middle with a screw underneath.The button is red and the screw has a red line painted across it.It is actually 3.5 inches across not 6 inches as I posted earlier.Nothing like being accurate is there?
Is it possible to obtain a copy of the ‘K’ Report?

Be prepared for a lengthy discussion on the paint colour of your relic……..:D

Thank you Andy.If I can post a picture of the Disc I have, would you be able to identify where it came from.It has no markings on it.It has a red button in the middle with a screw underneath.The button is red and the screw has a red line painted across it.It is actually 3.5 inches across not 6 inches as I posted earlier.Nothing like being accurate is there?
Is it possible to obtain a copy of the ‘K’ Report?

Although I do not have a copy to hand I suspect that this particular claim may well have been made in this POW’s Air Intelligence ‘K’ report, and I expect this was also the source for John Vasco’s reference to this in his book “Bombsights over England” JAC Publications, 1990, ISBN 0 9515737 0 5. On the other hand, John Vasco may have been reliant upon locally sourced witness information, in which case its credibility cannot be verified, of course.

Hope that answers your question?

‘Hatch’ is a bit grandoise a description Im afraid.I would post a picture if I knew how!
Also how was it possible for one of the contributors on this thread (Mr Saunders) to confirm the story related to me by witnesses that the pilot only landed to try and save his gunner?
The pilot was locked up in a nearby Oast House until the Army arrived.He is reputed to have been rather sure of himself,spoke English and wagered his captors a ‘crate of Champagne’ that the Germans would be in London in a few weeks.However that might be a ‘yarn’.

It’ll be worth waiting a couple of months to see what the entry in the second volume of “Luftwaffe Crash Archive” will say about it. Volume 1 has recently been released by Red Kite / Wingleader Books (very interesting it is too), but only covers up to mid-August ’40 so far. I think Volume 2 (remainder of August ’40) is due out next month?

Ian

Publication date 5th June, can preorder at a discount now.

http://www.wingleader.co.uk/product-p/luftcavol2.htm

Yes the map of England emblem is the one used be Erprobungsgruppe 210. It would have looked like this: Click me!.

I would love to see a photo of the hatch that you have from this aircraft? 🙂

Thank you all very much.I have looked at my ancient school project again and witnesses reported the plane having a map of England drawn on the nose.Does that identify the aircraft to a particular unit?
I have a souvenir lifted from the plane at the time.It is a disc,about 6 inches across with a red button in the middle and at the back a section of link chain that attached it to something I suppose.The disc is painted light green.It looks like some sort of removable inspection panel but you are the experts!
I have also just remembered that the Rear Gunner was originally buried in Stansted churchyard along with another german airman from a Dornier(?) whose body was recovered from a field right next to South Ash Manor (now a Golf course) after he bailed out and his parachute failed to open.They were both later transfered to Cannock Chase.

As this museum is located in the village, maybe they have some local recollections?
http://www.shoreham-aircraft-museum.co.uk/
mmitch.

Yes, it will be out then as you say. However, there are not any photos or additional details of this incident I’m afraid.

An excellent series of books, though! “Must haves” for anybody with an interest in the topic.

Crash-landed Me 110

It’ll be worth waiting a couple of months to see what the entry in the second volume of “Luftwaffe Crash Archive” will say about it. Volume 1 has recently been released by Red Kite / Wingleader Books (very interesting it is too), but only covers up to mid-August ’40 so far. I think Volume 2 (remainder of August ’40) is due out next month?

Ian

The aircraft suggested by Adrian is the only likely ‘candidate’.

The pilot did indeed land to get aid for his mortally wounded back-seater.

There are no known photos of the crash.

I’ve checked my copy of Aircraft Casualties in Kent part 1 – 1939-40, and cannot find a crash at Stansted. The best fit I can find is the following:

31.8.1940 Me110D 3381 S9+GK, ErproGr210 Wrotham Hill. Severely damaged when attacked by 85 Squadron aircraft over the outskirts of London, and had to force-land. Uffz Glaeska made POW, Obgfr Schweda killed. Based Calais-Marck

No further details, but maybe a start?

Adrian

ETA – Googled the call sign and found this:
http://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-110/Bf-110-EG210.2-%28S9+GK%29/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-110E-Zerstorer-2.ErprGr210-%28S9+GK%29-France-1940-01.html

Great if it’s the right aircraft.