MEKO D and MEKO X

Excellent swerve, thanks very much. What is the performance of the Crotale like, how does it perform compared to the ESSM and ultimately the Block-2 RAM which has also been suggested for multi-packing in a Mk-41?

It’s less than a third of the weight of the ESSM, & much shorter-range. It’s about the same size & weight as RAM. Longer range than RAM Block 1.

Meaning one could fit 32 ESSM in the same silos necessary to just match the capacity of a “standard” RAM outfit, launchers only without the usual reloads.

Ah well. Germany is supposedly considering a navalized IRIS-T SL. Would be yet another system in the same class (though more of a ESSM competitor).

True. But with ESSM being quad-packed and Burkes having 96 cells some might argues its worth it.

Meaning one could fit 32 ESSM in the same silos necessary to just match the capacity of a “standard” RAM outfit, launchers only without the usual reloads.

Ah well. Germany is supposedly considering a navalized IRIS-T SL. Would be yet another system in the same class (though more of a ESSM competitor).

Block 2 RAM in a Mk41? Wouldn’t that be… well, a waste of missile silos? At least if you have the topspace for a regular launcher.

I suspect there is two reasons for the idea,

1) RCS, a mounted launcher will always increase RCS
2) Arleigh Burkes, the latest units dont have CIWS, Mark 41 with multiple RAM (6+ have been proposed) would make a good substitute.

Block 2 RAM in a Mk41? Wouldn’t that be… well, a waste of missile silos? At least if you have the topspace for a regular launcher.

According to this Thales press release

Excellent swerve, thanks very much. What is the performance of the Crotale like, how does it perform compared to the ESSM and ultimately the Block-2 RAM which has also been suggested for multi-packing in a Mk-41?

Was it definately from an A35?

According to this Thales press release

I think the VLS is a matter of customer choice. They’ll fit Mk 41 & Mk 48 or 56, or Sylver A50 or 43, & A35 – whatever you prefer. The pictures are illustrative, not definitive.

I note from recent reports that the VT1 missile (made in Belfast) was successfully fired from Sylver A35 last month, & that DCNS & Thales are working on a quadpack for it, enabling A35 (& presumably the longer Sylver launchers) to carry 4 short-range missiles per silo. Some nice competition between Thales & MBDA going on there.

Was it definately from an A35? I seem to remember reading something a about a 6 round launcher and IIRC janes did not mention a luancher. The only previous references of a VLS launched VT-1 that I can find are of a self contained launcher being developed in cooperation with Fakel. i will have to wait until Monday to confirm that though.:confused:

I think the images might be a bit more definitive than they appear. The radar/director suite is clearly the CEA Technologies suite which is now associated with the SAAB 9LV-MK3 CMS (indeed SAAB markets the combined system as a ship defence system or something like that) whilst the images also depict SAAB Rbs-15 AShM’s.

Whilst clearly the design is adaptable it is also orientated towards a specific suite.

Mk-48 and Mk-56 are essentially the same system, they are however much smaller than Mk-41 and my question was really to determine how many full size VLS cells the ship could take?

So far I much prefer this design to FREMM although that design does have the advantage in that it is actually going to be built, albeit in much reduced numbers. Although it is interesting to note that the Italian FREMM’s will be significantly better vessels.

I think the VLS is a matter of customer choice. They’ll fit Mk 41 & Mk 48 or 56, or Sylver A50 or 43, & A35 – whatever you prefer. The pictures are illustrative, not definitive.

I note from recent reports that the VT1 missile (made in Belfast) was successfully fired from Sylver A35 last month, & that DCNS & Thales are working on a quadpack for it, enabling A35 (& presumably the longer Sylver launchers) to carry 4 short-range missiles per silo. Some nice competition between Thales & MBDA going on there.

The TKMS site has what looks like something newer, on the MEKO-D 500 & 600 –

http://www.thyssenkrupp-marinesystems.com/index_print.php?level=2&CatID=3.283&inhalt_id=257&detail=35&language=en

Thanks for the link swerve, excellent posting. It looks like they are firming up the original concept into quasi-definitive designs. I suspect that these ar similar to what will be offered to Greece if their AAW frigate programme ever comes to fruition?:confused:

Interestingly they are going high and low tier much like DCNS is with its FM-400 and FREMM offerings. These are clearly the companies to beat on the international warship market at the moment.

Just a quick question, what are the after VLS cells, clearly the forward and amidships house Mark-41,s but I am intrigued by the cells peripheral to the flight deck? Are they Mark-41’s or Mark-48/56?:confused:

I like the apparent choice of the SAAB RBS-15 Mk-3 as an AShM.

The TKMS site has what looks like something newer, on the MEKO-D 500 & 600 –

http://www.thyssenkrupp-marinesystems.com/index_print.php?level=2&CatID=3.283&inhalt_id=257&detail=35&language=en

Well they are probably right because if you look at the currencies used, i said Aussie Dollars and you said Kiwi Dollars, with the current exchange rate hovering around $1.14 Kiwi to $1 Aussie it sort of makes sence mate

CEA FAR and CEA Moutns have been quoted in Aussie dollars as under $1M and are being fitted to all 10 of the Anzac class, though the Kiwi’s are asking for time on theirs and will actually be the last ones to receive it.

Trials were conducted on HMAS Arunta with smaller systems during the development phase of the product and they proved so successfull that the American’s and a few other navies are looking at buying them as well. This info came from the CEA reps at the Airshow at Avalon.

The systems are boasting a better and cheaper performance over the more complex systems such as Aegis which have capabilities that most of the navies in the world would not require (AMBD being the fore most in my mind there).

The huge figure I quoted for CEA/FAR was from info on a thread on another Oz forum T5C it seemed large but the source was usually very reliable:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:
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CEA FAR and CEA Moutns have been quoted in Aussie dollars as under $1M and are being fitted to all 10 of the Anzac class, though the Kiwi’s are asking for time on theirs and will actually be the last ones to receive it.

Trials were conducted on HMAS Arunta with smaller systems during the development phase of the product and they proved so successfull that the American’s and a few other navies are looking at buying them as well. This info came from the CEA reps at the Airshow at Avalon.

The systems are boasting a better and cheaper performance over the more complex systems such as Aegis which have capabilities that most of the navies in the world would not require (AMBD being the fore most in my mind there).

7seas,

Perfect! Those are the two that I was looking for. If you can, send the PDF as an attachment in an email to me.

Thanks again,

Logan Hartke

Logan,
see attachment for a zip file containing 2 .mht files (a self contained html file) that can be opened with MS explorer. They are a mirror of the B&V website frontpage of MEKO D&X.
I tried to attach the MEKO-D pdf also, but that seems to large.
Hope this helps.

You can’t go wrong with Lee Marvin. Anyway, I doubted that there’s anything on cost for paper projects, but it never hurts to ask.

Thanks,

Logan Hartke

Edit: I’d forgotten that deagel had a page on it some time ago that wasn’t bad and it’s still around.

http://www.deagel.com/Frigates/MEKO-D_a000251001.aspx

CEA FAR/MOUNT

Hi Logan
Hope that you are in better shape than the bloke on your banner. Sorry I dont have any info on the cost for the MEKO D. I had better get this right,the cost of CEA FAR/MOUNT shipsets has been quoted from a reliable source as between $NZ 130-170 Million. a lot of money in US AUD or NZ dollars, I suppose it will come down in time ,but when?

That is quite expensive. General Dynamics new little Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) is only supposed to be about $220 per ship at this point, to put it into perspective. Were there ever any estimates on the MEKO D?

Logan Hartke

Still off topic ,but we need another funding ‘black hole ” like a hole in our head. If the G&C design is eventually selected to be built it has the capacity to develop into one quite easily ala the Collins Class Subs which are eventually turning out OK but lots & lots of $$$$ later. I suppose we will eventually get the CEA FAR on the Anzacs but again it is expensive ,about $150 million++ a shipset I am led to believe.

$150 million+!:eek: Just imagine how expensive a Meko-X set would cost considering that!:eek: