Messerschmitt 109-E for Medway?

Thanks, Peter, for posting that profile.

It somehow looks kinda odd…but on the other hand, finishing it in those markings would be pretty unique.

Hmmmm, well I know what one I think seems like the more appropriate design to be added by the RAF…. There was me thinking the addition of the aircrafts former unit was a nice chivalric touch… 😀

Perhaps not Clint, as you may have seen on our own LEMB thread dedicated to DG200, not if the colour profile seen in an article titled “‘Le Cirque Volant de Duxford Le No 1426 Flight” by Phil Butler in Aero Journal No.24 (April/May 2002) is to be believed :diablo:

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Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Thanks Peter. An interesting homage to the aircrafts former unit added to the tail fin by the RAF whilst flying as DG200 it seems. 🙂

Can anyone suggest what is the emblem in the white (?) disc either side of the fin, above the flash, on the excellent images posted by Dan Johnson?

Just to clarify, those aren’t my photos. I remembered seeing them and dug through all the books and found each in separate books.

I posted them for the sake of the discussion about no canopy, not to suggest they were mine.

Apologies if I crossed a line somewhere.

According to page 22 of “Captured Me109’s” by J.Jackiewicz & M.Wawrzynski [Kecay, 2007] the small white disc on the rudder contained the Kitzbühler mountain goat associated with 1./JG51 unit emblem, similar to the emblem seen here but without the blue left/right edges and obviously on a white disc…

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Peter D Evans
LEMB Administrator

Gas detection patch, or an emblem of some sort?

Can anyone suggest what is the emblem in the white (?) disc either side of the fin, above the flash, on the excellent images posted by Dan Johnson?

Wow! Ten lever arch files bulging with such photos…but not that one!! B****r!

Sitting in Calais this evening I had a telephone conversation with Peter Cornwell (Battle of Britain Then & Now/Battle of France Then & Now) and discovered he already had this image, though I had not previously seen it. At least Hendon will now have the perfect paint guide.

What is also interesting is that the hood is intact, contrary to what Teumer said:

“I had taken many hits in the fuselage, and I heard a badly sounding rattle in the belly pan. My oil pressure fell and temperature shot up. This was a bad situation and I knew I wouldn’t get across the little bit of sea without getting wet feet. Now, I was flying a piano. Down I must go, and quickly. I threw away the cabin roof and almost at once I was skidding over the grass of an aerodrome at Marston (sic). There was lots of noise and bumping and I hit my head and knee and the cockpit filled with dust and smoke and steam. It was a good much more roughly than the two times before that I had to do belly-landings. I came to rest and got out, but two RAF corporals had bicycled up and stood staring at me. I allowed them to make me their prisoner, but they seemed more frightened than me and looked ridiculous under their flying-saucer tin hats. This was the end of my war, but I am so surprised that my ’12’ lives.”

What a cracking photograph Versuch. If it is Teumers 109E then he did`nt get rid of the canopy after all.

Excellent photo Versuch, many thanks for posting. I don’t suppose you remember the source do you? Was it eBay or somewhere similar? 🙂

Edit: Looks originally to be from a newspaper? Andy (Saunders) have you seen this photo before?

That looks like Manston alright. Thanks, Versuch. Very interesting!

I dont know if this copyrighted….so mods remove
if I am in error.
Here she is …..

They would have two schemes to choose from as well. In DaveF86’s photo DG200 looks like it still largely in it’s Luftwaffe scheme with a yellow nose, then in Dan’s air-to-airs (presumably all taken on the same sortie) it appears the be in standard(ish) RAF camo, though presumably with a yellow belly, and different underwing roundels. I think if it were to be painted in one of these schemes it would represent an important contribution to the war by test pilots. If they can pick an “alternative” scheme for the Tempest, why not?

It certainly would cause quite a stir. 🙂

I cannot imagine, actually, that they would go for the RAF markings…but you never know, and it would certainly cause a stir and it would be accurate. As I say, you never know….and RAFM do seem to sometimes be doing some rather surprising things.

Luftwaffe markings for me, the RAF colours although technically correct for a period of the aircrafts life would be a travesty in my opinion. 😀

Aside from the A.I. (g) report which describes in very general detail the markings, I am not aware of any photographs of the aircraft before it was repainted. The report, by the way, specifies: “….No crest.” Thus, the unit emblem currently painted on the aircraft is apparently not accurate. If I am correct, then the ‘new’ paint scheme could only be a best-guess.

Indeed a great thread with some cracking photographs. I would vote to finish the 109 in its livery at the time of its capture. For me there`s just something not quite right with a 109 in British markings, possibly something to do with the small wing roundels and “squashed” fin flash due to the size of the areas they are applied to.

DG200 would make an interesting choice, but I could hear cries that it would confuse the ordinary punters who would assume it was a Spitfire!

If DG200 was considered as a marking option, then those underside roundels could be painted by whoever painted the roundels on MH434! :diablo:

Regards;
Steve