Metal cutlery back on the menu

Strange… I think the US Government knows something we dont…

Now they’re axing the TSA : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7424844/

Strange… I think the US Government knows something we dont…

Now they’re axing the TSA : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7424844/

All the flights I’ve taken this year have had old fashioned “unsecure” cockpit doors (BA Dash 8, Euromanx ATR42, Flybe Dash 8).

Most flights worldwide have always used metal cuttlery. Eg. I flew MAN-DXB-MEL last year and the first leg featured plastic, the second was metal.

It’s always been hopelessly muddled and inconsistent, as security in general tends to be unfortunately.

All the flights I’ve taken this year have had old fashioned “unsecure” cockpit doors (BA Dash 8, Euromanx ATR42, Flybe Dash 8).

Most flights worldwide have always used metal cuttlery. Eg. I flew MAN-DXB-MEL last year and the first leg featured plastic, the second was metal.

It’s always been hopelessly muddled and inconsistent, as security in general tends to be unfortunately.

Going slightly off topic now but hasn’t the introduction of the requirement for the secure cockpit door practically eliminated any commercial flying of old planes e.g DC-3 etc. I seem to recall someone saying that the cost of installing the door is far too prohibitive to make it commercially viable.

Going slightly off topic now but hasn’t the introduction of the requirement for the secure cockpit door practically eliminated any commercial flying of old planes e.g DC-3 etc. I seem to recall someone saying that the cost of installing the door is far too prohibitive to make it commercially viable.

Exactly. At the end of the day, should such horrible situation arise again we have to see the bigger picture here. Even if hijackers managed to kill a large number of passengers, it would still be preferable than them gaining control of the aircraft and killing many times more on the ground. No pilot would open the door today no matter how ugly things got at the back.

Exactly. At the end of the day, should such horrible situation arise again we have to see the bigger picture here. Even if hijackers managed to kill a large number of passengers, it would still be preferable than them gaining control of the aircraft and killing many times more on the ground. No pilot would open the door today no matter how ugly things got at the back.

Because of improved safety measures like lockable cockpit doors.

I think that is the key!

The method of flight crews being trained to just comply with a hi-jackers request was proven totaly out of date on Sept 11.
I have long thought it to be a far better solution for the flight crew to just put the plane down as soon as possible.

With the secure doors now a standard and requirement this can now be accomplished.

Because of improved safety measures like lockable cockpit doors.

I think that is the key!

The method of flight crews being trained to just comply with a hi-jackers request was proven totaly out of date on Sept 11.
I have long thought it to be a far better solution for the flight crew to just put the plane down as soon as possible.

With the secure doors now a standard and requirement this can now be accomplished.

I agree with the “if it was a risk before… why is it not a risk now?” statement. Although, it was always possible to hijack an aircraft… glass bottles have been onboard which can produce very nasty wounds (unless they’re made from that glass that shatters on impact into many tiny bits).

I also say that a terrorist with a bit of martial arts experience could hijack an aircraft. I’ve been taught the quickest ways to kill people at Jiu Jitsu, and I’m a nice law abiding citizen. It’s amazing what people will do when you threaten to kill someone. All you’d really need is someone in a head lock. Make your victim scream, people would bend over backwards to keep your victim alive.

I agree with the “if it was a risk before… why is it not a risk now?” statement. Although, it was always possible to hijack an aircraft… glass bottles have been onboard which can produce very nasty wounds (unless they’re made from that glass that shatters on impact into many tiny bits).

I also say that a terrorist with a bit of martial arts experience could hijack an aircraft. I’ve been taught the quickest ways to kill people at Jiu Jitsu, and I’m a nice law abiding citizen. It’s amazing what people will do when you threaten to kill someone. All you’d really need is someone in a head lock. Make your victim scream, people would bend over backwards to keep your victim alive.

It must be hard knowing what is or could be happening outside and i would guess that makes 5 minutes seem like 5 hours when your stuck in their trying to find an airport! I hope no pilot ever has to go through that again.

It must be hard knowing what is or could be happening outside and i would guess that makes 5 minutes seem like 5 hours when your stuck in their trying to find an airport! I hope no pilot ever has to go through that again.

We keep the door closed. If there was a hijacking etc and the girls we being attacked we would try and land asap without opening the door.

Aviation has changed since the mupet osama raised his ugly head..

We keep the door closed. If there was a hijacking etc and the girls we being attacked we would try and land asap without opening the door.

Aviation has changed since the mupet osama raised his ugly head..

I imagine the Cockpit crew will never open their door if they suspect an attack.

But what if they saw the Cabin Crew being held at knife point or even worse, being killed through the camera system most aircraft have to monitor who is outside of the door? I know I would find it hard to not feel some sort of duty of care to help the people being threatened with death if the door wasnt opened but at the same time if your flying an A380 with 500+ onboard you also need to try your best to save them.

I suppose training covers issues such as this but i suspect it is just keep door closed and land as soon as possible? Wys, skycruiser – doesnt training cover such issue nowadays?

I imagine the Cockpit crew will never open their door if they suspect an attack.

But what if they saw the Cabin Crew being held at knife point or even worse, being killed through the camera system most aircraft have to monitor who is outside of the door? I know I would find it hard to not feel some sort of duty of care to help the people being threatened with death if the door wasnt opened but at the same time if your flying an A380 with 500+ onboard you also need to try your best to save them.

I suppose training covers issues such as this but i suspect it is just keep door closed and land as soon as possible? Wys, skycruiser – doesnt training cover such issue nowadays?

Instead of smashing a bottle why not just stick a sock in the end of it and light the sock. Molotov.

Don’t smoke, so I don’t usually carry a lighter around 😉

dme

Instead of smashing a bottle why not just stick a sock in the end of it and light the sock. Molotov.

Don’t smoke, so I don’t usually carry a lighter around 😉

dme