Having been to the RAF Museum at Cosford in the morning See Here we moved on to the MAM at Coventry in the afternoon, where it just chucked it down with rain. The Phantom photos show it in its Oregan ANG colours and the newly painted SEA camouflage.
More MAM photos HERE
Brian
By: RPSmith - 28th April 2006 at 14:33
Regarding the aircraft name, Putnam’s has “Sea Hawk” (so does the Smithsonian “bible”) and that’s good enough for me!
I have long spelt it as one word but that doesn’t fit in with other Hawker marine types (Sea Fury, Sea Hurricane, etc.) so I did a bit of digging.
Contemporary issues of “AWAffairs” (house magazine of AWA) spell it “Sea Hawk” so I’ll change my ways!
Roger Smith.
By: Papa Lima - 26th April 2006 at 23:32
Regarding the aircraft name, Putnam’s has “Sea Hawk” (so does the Smithsonian “bible”) and that’s good enough for me!
By: hunterxf382 - 26th April 2006 at 23:22
Please excuse the bumping of this thread, but just as a reminder that this coming weekend is the Midland Air Museum’s Military Vehicle Rally, and I’m going over there for the entire weekend to ‘do my bit’ on the Hunter, and I haven’t forgotten my namesake’s request for pictures of the Hunter in it’s illuminated state (which will be done at dusk weather permitting on Saturday evening…)
Anyone is welcome to pop along and say hello 😀 , and like me, can also take a closer look at the MAM “A Team’s” progress with the neighbouring Sea Hawk (no Les I don’t know if thats one word or two either…lol) restoration.
Hope to be able to post some requested pictures as soon as possible after the weekend….
By: LesB - 18th April 2006 at 11:53
so what is the big issue, membership is putting any name and a real email address, no fees no private info require.
The point (or issue if you prefer) is just as given by PenPusher, it’s called courtesy.
Further, I choose which fora I subscribe too, nobody else.
Your walk-round seems to have been worth it, glad you enjoyed it. The crew at MAM will always try to accomodate any requests like yours. As with other museums though, they may not always have the staff/time to enable such a full examination as you were accorded. As with all things however, courtesy works wonders. 😎
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By: Pen Pusher - 18th April 2006 at 09:14
Many thanks, Cheers 🙂
Brian
By: sagindragin - 18th April 2006 at 08:54
very good point brian, now how the h*** do i post images on here?
ok i found it, bloody better than mine as well 🙂
at the moment there are about 200 walkrounds on the board alot of them unusual types, so it is worth joining.
thanks for helping me to remember my manners.
john
sagindragin
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By: Pen Pusher - 18th April 2006 at 08:13
sagindragin
Having asked on this forum how to gain access to the aircraft, would it not have been common curtesy to have posted a few pictures here with a link if anyone wanted to see more. Help may not be forthcoming in the future.
Brian
By: sagindragin - 18th April 2006 at 04:19
hi les,
visitors can view the post in the main forum, but because of bandwidth abuse the walkround section is members only, considering the vast amount of walkrounds this makes sense, also there is an even bigger achive section that is member only.
so what is the big issue, membership is putting any name and a real email address, no fees no private info require.
john
sagindragin
airwarfareforum.com
By: LesB - 17th April 2006 at 20:49
. . . sorry but you have to be a member to see it, but joining is dead easy and free.
Glad you had a good outing at MAM.
However, in my opinion it’s bad form to post an active hyperlink to a separte forum just to see some images, especially to a forum that doesn’t let visitors view the posts. 😡
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By: sagindragin - 17th April 2006 at 20:23
well i did not get there on saturday 🙁 but i went today 🙂 i recieved a fantastic welcome and barry was most helpfull, even discussed deliverying some stone there free of charge.
anyway for those that want to see it there is a 72 image walkround of the Bolton Paul P111 here,
http://www.airwarfareforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=5644
sorry but you have to be a member to see it, but joining is dead easy and free.
john
sagindragin
airwarfareforum.com
By: Peter - 15th April 2006 at 14:26
Smart looking F101 there.just subtle fading as if she was in service. How complete a cockpit does she have and also does anyone work on her?
By: hunterxf382 - 15th April 2006 at 12:53
Superb shots Les…. number 4 had me in stitches – absolutely brilliant!!!!! 😀 😀
By: Papa Lima - 15th April 2006 at 08:52
Voodoo at MAM
Here’s one I took earlier (January) without rain spots.
By: Pen Pusher - 15th April 2006 at 08:11
David, the Voodoo to which you refer was obtained as a source of spares to support the one acquired from Alconbury. Anyone who was closely involved in the move of these (as I was at the time) will know that this particular airframe had been very heavily utilised in its role of supporting BDRT.
Be under no illusion it was going to be scrapped and had already had the rear fuselage and wings removed with the aid of a bulldozer – I know because I saw it happen, it was only a last minute intervention which stopped its move to Molesworth and an agreement to move it to the Museum. It has never been classed as a ‘display’ airframe under the terms of a USAF loan and I can assure you everything of consequence, other than the ejector seats was removed before it was loaned to the fire service.
For interest I have included a couple of Photos just after it arrived at the museum to illustrate its condition, also a couple from Molesworth showing what would have happened to it ( and did to the third F101 in the country) one of these shows the remains of the tail of 70270.
Lets not forget the museum paid to move this at considerable cost, the decision to strip it and make use of the cockpit by loaning it to the airport fire service as an emergency trainer was not taken lightly.
I didn’t post any photos of the Voodoo as I had rain spots on the lens.
Brian
By: Peter - 15th April 2006 at 02:17
terrific shots les thanks for posting
By: LesB - 15th April 2006 at 00:44
WF922 lights up. All lights that are supposed to work do work. Took the following at a BBQ there back end of last year.
1 – Cockpit under pilot’s flood lighting. Sorry to dash your expecations but a Canberra cockpit doesn’t actually light up like a christmas tree with pretty lights.
2 – At dusk. landing light extended, wingtip and tip tank nav lights on.
3 – Anti-coll
4 – On the line ready for night flying (‘modified’ image).
:rolleyes:
By: Jagx204 - 14th April 2006 at 22:41
Voodoo 70270
David, the Voodoo to which you refer was obtained as a source of spares to support the one acquired from Alconbury. Anyone who was closely involved in the move of these (as I was at the time) will know that this particular airframe had been very heavily utilised in its role of supporting BDRT.
Be under no illusion it was going to be scrapped and had already had the rear fuselage and wings removed with the aid of a bulldozer – I know because I saw it happen, it was only a last minute intervention which stopped its move to Molesworth and an agreement to move it to the Museum. It has never been classed as a ‘display’ airframe under the terms of a USAF loan and I can assure you everything of consequence, other than the ejector seats was removed before it was loaned to the fire service.
For interest I have included a couple of Photos just after it arrived at the museum to illustrate its condition, also a couple from Molesworth showing what would have happened to it ( and did to the third F101 in the country) one of these shows the remains of the tail of 70270.
Lets not forget the museum paid to move this at considerable cost, the decision to strip it and make use of the cockpit by loaning it to the airport fire service as an emergency trainer was not taken lightly.
By: David Burke - 14th April 2006 at 18:37
Mark – How did the museum manage to send the Voodoo cockpit for use on the airfield
by the firemen ? My understanding of USAF museum loan programme aircraft is that once a year they want a photograph of said aircraft which is dated showing it to be kept in a display condition.
By: sagindragin - 14th April 2006 at 18:11
hi pete,
thanks for the phone number, it’s to late now so i will try and see him tomorrow, as for the hardcore, i am sure i can aquire some for you,free of course.
if you are there tomorrow i will be the one lying on my back under the BP P111 getting shots of all her hidden places.
john
sagindragin
airwarfareforum.com
By: Jagx204 - 14th April 2006 at 16:49
If the F4c is done as far as donated parts are concerned would it not be a good idea to sell it or trade with another group?
Unfortunately its not the Museum’s to sell / trade, it still belongs to the USAF Museum, sadly I think if the Museum ever declared it had no further interest in it it will probably end up at Molesworth to be ‘demilled’ like a certain ex Hemswell Mystere IVa has just done.
The ‘USAF Museum loans programme’ to non USA based organisations is now a shadow of its former self after 9/11 and any organisation trying to aquire it would probably be turned down.
Although its far from pretty at least its safe, and whilst it still within the Museum there is the at least the chance of it becoming whole again or at worst a cockpit exhibit.
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