MiG-21FL/MF and Mirage IIIC/E

This is a bit of carry-over from the “FAF Mirage…-discussion”, but, gents, I belive that we have here a unique opportunity to hear something more about this two aircraft from people for which I hope would be so kind to answer some questions, namely Balderdash and Caeser.

IMHO, I’m talking about two standard fighters/interceptors (as said MiG-21FL/MF and Mirage IIIC/E) which equipped so many air forces around the world (almost 10.000 MiG-21s were produced, and over 700 Mirage IIIC/Es armed many air forces which fought against MiG-21-equipped assets) of the ’60s and ’70.

Now, so many different oppinions can be heard about MiGs and Mirages. For example, some say, MiG-21 was easy to fly for inexperienced pilots, others criticized it and called it even “Supersonic Sports-plane” (because of weak nav/attack system), still, others said that even MiG-21MF was only good for slash hit-and-run attacks at high speed from the rear hemisphere and should not engage in any dogfights at all. Some say that MiG-21 stalls very easy in tight turns, others say that its aerodynamics prevent any stalls at all.

Similar things can be heard about Mirage: good interceptor, but armed with unreliable Cyrano radar and bad BVR Matra R.530F missiles. Some say Mirage III should not engage in dogfights and its turning abilities are poor, others prized it for exactly that.

Gents, what are your oppinions about these two types, their capabilities and armament (including 30mm DEFAs and GSh-23s, as well as AIM-9Bs and K-13s)?

Thanks in advance
Tom