Mig-23 production figures

MiG-23 early modifications had insufficient maneuverability. MiG-23ML and later one of the best fighters in its class

The quote from the Polish book is not mine, the name of this book is unknown to me

no worries
so are you quoting the production figures of
1300 mig-23M
1100 mig-23MLA
300 mig-23P
750 mig-23ML
directly from the red banner factory statistics

i was wondering as Airforces weekly say that MLA and ML were not different production and BOTH togather were under 1000

but Military balance in 1983 mention 2,100 fighter version mig-23M/ML/P/MLA in service with PVO + VVS

which one do you think is more accurate ? military balance ?

Don’t believe fake news.

USG spent $ billions to fly and maintain MiG-23, MiG-27, MiG-21 and SU-27 under Constant Peg and other programs. Why spend that much money if they were failures?

15000 sorties generated.

Don’t believe fake news.

USG spent $ billions to fly and maintain MiG-23, MiG-27, MiG-21 and SU-27 under Constant Peg and other programs. Why spend that much money if they were failures?

Can someone explained to me why MIg-23 is often seen as a failure unlike Mig-21 or Mig-29

Because Western sources make lots of silly claims re. Soviet hardware.

MiG-23 early modifications had insufficient maneuverability. MiG-23ML and later one of the best fighters in its class

The quote from the Polish book is not mine, the name of this book is unknown to me

Polish book? Probably by Piotr Bukowski.

Can someone explained to me why MIg-23 is often seen as a failure unlike Mig-21 or Mig-29

Not really considered a complete failure. Most of those countries which received aircraft from the Soviet Union were short of cash after the Cold War. They could barely afford to operate the MiG-21 – never mind the much more complex and high-powered MiG-23 – the ’23’ had to go…

MiG-23 early modifications had insufficient maneuverability. MiG-23ML and later one of the best fighters in its class

That’s wrong. I don’t think anyone was really complaining about the MiG-23’s turning ability – it was hardly any worse than that of an F-4 – and whatever improvements were made to its maneuverability in later versions it was still not the ‘best in class’.

MiG-23 early modifications had insufficient maneuverability. MiG-23ML and later one of the best fighters in its class

which Polish book are you quoting this from ? can you please give the name and author
thank you

The quote from the Polish book is not mine, the name of this book is unknown to me

Can someone explained to me why MIg-23 is often seen as a failure unlike Mig-21 or Mig-29

Usaf evaluation of mig23MS
bekea valley and its wrong conclusion in western mediap

Can someone explained to me why MIg-23 is often seen as a failure unlike Mig-21 or Mig-29

MiG-23M (ed. “23-11M”), produced from 1973 to 1976
According to book Polish authors, was issued 750 MiG-23ML(23-12),of which-third went on exports.In turn,the plant Banner of Labor officially indicates that it produced 1100 aircraft modification MLA(23-12A) in 1977-1983 years, and separates them from ML.

hello

which Polish book are you quoting this from ? can you please give the name and author
thank you

also the MLA (23-12A) version of which 1100 were produced are in addition to the 750 ML (23-12) ? or ML was modified to MLA ?

MiG-23B – 24 (1971)
MiG-23BN Part of the aircraft is made of MiG-23M
MiG-23BM (1973)
MiG-23BK (1974)

MiG-27 (1974)
MiG-27K 200 (1975, mass production 1977 – 1982, Irkutsk)
MiG-27M 150 (1976, mass production 1978 – 1983, Irkutsk)
modernization MiG-27 in MiG-27M 500 (1982 – 1985, Ulan-Ude)

MiG-27ML 200 (export option MiG-27M, 1982, Nasik, India, 1986 – 1994)

Production of the MiG-23B / BN established in Moscow, the plant “Banner of Labor” (“Знамя Труда”)

thanks

the rest of the numbers in post # 17 look ok to you

Production of the MiG-23B / BN established in Moscow, the plant “Banner of Labor” (“Знамя Труда”)

http://forums.airforce.ru/matchast/4…zdadim-vmeste/

“23-11” – 3
MiG-23S – 59
MiG-23 – 98
MiG-23M – 1353
MiG-23MS – 196 or 179
MiG-23MF – 184 or 278

MiG-23M+MiG-23MS+MiG-23MF=1810

MiG-23P – 321
MiG-23ML – 750
MiG-23MLA – 1100
MiG-23MLD – ?

Znamya Truda Plant (Moscow) – 4,278 pieces
Plant Irkutsk – 769 pieces

I’m sorry to bother you again but I have having trouble with these figures

lets add them one final time, I have tried to summarize your previous posts

1353 MiG-23M+ 179 MiG-23MS+ 278 MiG-23MF=1810

321 Mig-23P +750 Mig-23ML + 1100 Mig-23MLA

= 3,981 these are all fighter versions from Znamya Truda plant

Production of the MiG-23UB in Irkutsk reached 100 pieces per year. Total released 1008 MiG-23UB

623 MiG-23B/BN ( I’m assuming also at Irkutsk plant?)

So total Mig-23 of all variants ( not including Mig-27 ) was = 5,612 from years 1969-1984

Does this seem correct to you ?

The value of a weapon-system is never the sum of its specifics. Just a mental exercise.

In this case, I can safely say that one MiG-23 will win all NATO aircraft 🙂

One thousand nine hundred eighty two:
Frontline aviation: 25 Su-25, 400 Su-24, 500 MiG-27, 1200 MiG-23 various modifications, 150 MiG-25, 630 MiG-21, 100 Su-17, 150 Su-7, 190 Yak-28;
Air defense: 100 MiG-31, 250 MiG-25, 800 MiG-23, 900 Su-15, 100 Tu-128, 200 Yak-28, 50 Su-9/-11

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92…A1%D0%A1%D0%A0

The quote you gave is from Flight international 1982 sept , so by late 1982 it was estimated by Flight magazine that 800 mig-23 were with PVO and 1200 various versions of mig-23 with VVS

if we want to get an estimate of fighter version of Mig-23 is it safe to assume that 1300 in total between VVS and PVO of the mig-23s fighter versions in service( by late 1982) were M,MF, ML ,P versions ?

thanks for your patience

The value of a weapon-system is never the sum of its specifics. Just a mental exercise.

One thousand nine hundred eighty two:
Frontline aviation: 25 Su-25, 400 Su-24, 500 MiG-27, 1200 MiG-23 various modifications, 150 MiG-25, 630 MiG-21, 100 Su-17, 150 Su-7, 190 Yak-28;
Air defense: 100 MiG-31, 250 MiG-25, 800 MiG-23, 900 Su-15, 100 Tu-128, 200 Yak-28, 50 Su-9/-11

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%BE%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%BD%D0%BE-%D0%B2%D0%BE%D0%B7%D0%B4%D1%83%D1%88%D0%BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%81%D0%B8%D0%BB%D1%8B_%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A1%D0%A0

Combat effectiveness of the MiG-23 in comparison with foreign fighters of the fourth generation

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Related to the specific TVD in Soviet times just a given number of regiments can be operated in an limited battle space at the same time, whatever is at hand in the whole SU and its other TVDs. The following link shows it.
https://www.esd.whs.mil/Portals/54/D…%20%202014.pdf
Every MiG came with a price tag and is a burden for your economy and in the end the SU did crumble.

Paralay I think we in the west underestimated the threat of mig-23 in the early 80s , it seems like that almost 1800 of just the fighter version of mig-23M/ML/MLA were operational by 1985 ! Is that fair to say ?