Mig-29k will carry systems developed by India

Yeah but i think IAF delayed that process ( am not aware of how things work in the IAF and MOD setup in india) so it seems like the choice wont be made until later in 2007 or 2008.

If mig 29OVT is selected for MRCA it would be economical too..

Again it will be on india’s demand and they will pick up the check aswell.

Thrust vectoring nozzles for Indian naval mig-29k?

Indian navy is all set to receive Russian made mig-29k in the end of 2007, for which grounds works in dabolim airport (naval air base INS hansa) has already begun, Russian company Has revealed more details on the orders of the mig-29k from Indian navy, it say that “up to 46″ mig-29k and kub single and twin seaters will be produced for the Indian navy, all mig-29k will carry multirole radar Zhuk Me., flights test have been already taken to ensure that integrations of foreign equipment in mig-29k go on smoothly ,but the interesting thing that MiG official have made is that mig-29k will carry RD-33MK engines but it will not have thrust vectoring nozzles but company is ready to consider it if there is any Indian request for it ,mig-29k with Thrust vectoring nozzles will make mig-29k first naval aircraft in the sub continent with Thrust vectoring nozzles ,MiG company have shown that Migs can carry Thrust vectoring nozzles when they unveiled a demonstrator with vectored-thrust nozzles At the Moscow MAKS air show in 2001 designated the MiG-29OVT (Otklanyayemi Vektor Tyagi / Deflected Thrust Vector)”, and its RD-33 engines are to fitted with Klimov-designed nozzles that can rotate up to 15 degrees in any direction. It also has wingtip launch rails for short-range AAMs. The aircraft is being marketed under the designation MiG-35 for potential export. And it is in the race for Mrca programme of Indian airforce, it will be interesting to see if Indian navy or government of India will go for Thrust vectoring nozzles this will offer an advanced level of manoeuvrability for the aircraft

Topsight
http://images.google.co.in/images?svnum=10&hl=en&lr=&q=topsight-e&btnG=Search

http://www.deagel.com/pandora/topsight_de00461001.aspx

http://www.deagel.com/pandora/mig-29k_pm00252003.aspx

DETAILS directly from Mig
http://www.migavia.ru/eng/news/?id=18&tid=4

www.thalesgroup.com/all/pdf/top_owl.pdf
This says it weighs 4.85 pounds. How does that compare with other systems? Also isn’t it for choppers not planes?

Yup, Topowl is only for helos, also Aussie Tigers got it. For fighters is Topsight and Topnight.

Detection range of Zhuk ME: 110-120 KM/ 45-50 (forward/ rear hemisphere), 10/4 (TWS/ engage)
Zhuk MFE:100-110/ 45-50, 20/4 (TWS/ engage)
Bars-29: 100-120 / NA , 15/5( TWS/ engage)

but the detecction range can be equal 2 the TWS range but the engege/lock on surely must be lower??

whats givn in BR site is “forward facing NIIP N-011M radar which has a 350 km search range and a 200 km tracking range. “

what kind of RCS r we talking abt here?

Has anybody seen the TopOwl? Its huge.

Am pretty sure we’ll get to learn (in the future) that they went for some other HMD, not Topowl but eitrher DASH or that other one for the Rafale.
This confusion in reports is very typical. Wasnt the MKI supposed to “certainly” have TOTEM INS but years later it turned out it was SAGEM Sigma 95 and not SEXTANT? Similarly for MKIs VEH 3000 HUD but turned out to be Elbit..

The Zhuk-MF has been undergoing flight tests on a Mig-29 partly funded by Mig, In fact it is quite likely that the MF will be ready about the same time the 29K is, but of course that aircraft has been in development for some time and its specs fixed for a while. But it does make one wonder why the Indians have not opted for it for either the Mig-29 upgrade programme or the 29K.

Basically, its performance and timeline (plus cost) dont make it substantially more attractive for the IN.

Apparently theres also a program to develop an AESA by P-NIIR for the MiG-35/ 29 OVT…that might give substantially better performance, despite the weight/ volume constraints.

cant the Bars be fitted on the mig29K.i think thats more powerful than the ZhukM with a detection range of 150kms?

No, per figures another poster on another board was kind enuff to give me:

Detection range of Zhuk ME: 110-120 KM/ 45-50 (forward/ rear hemisphere), 10/4 (TWS/ engage)
Zhuk MFE:100-110/ 45-50, 20/4 (TWS/ engage)
Bars-29: 100-120 / NA , 15/5( TWS/ engage)

All figures for RCS= 5 Sq Mtr

These are latest figures from NIIR and NIIP.
Please ignore those huge fancy billboards at Maks for the MFE…the radar has nowhere those features yet, actual performance is much more conservative and realistic.

As you can see, apart from interleaving modes and a “claimed” (radar is still in development), the MFE is not substantially better than the ME.

Also for a naval aircraft, better scanning angles might be helpful. The ME is a reasonable radar.

Who’s saying that MiG-29K/KUB will use Zhuk-MFE?

It will use Zhuk-ME (althorugh improved for higher resolution of SAR modes, 1 meter against 5 meter of original set)

The Tarang is the RWR, per Harry Tarang Mk2- navalized, Roshni- “illumination”, is the RWR of choice for the Navy.

Israeli stuff? Display map generators, Electronic warfare pod (Elta 8222 variant) to complement the Tusker pod, Video data recorders (for HUD footage), Target designation pods like the Litening (though I dunno whether Navy would require this. Probably only if the 29 K’s have a significant ground attack role).

Zhuk M, its a slotted array, MF is phased array.
Zhuk M has a 120 km range against 5 sq Mtr RCS, can track 10 targets, engage 4, has ground mapping modes.
The MF is a paper product, actually more of a developmental one and is still being developed. The IN wanted something fast and off the shelf rather than waiting around & spending more, so they chose the 29 K, which can be integrated with newer weapons etc quicker. The MF technically offers better performance , but as prior experience with Phazatron has showed, the often fantastic claims get downsized pretty fast in the final version..

The Zhuk ME is a reasonable radar, and supports the R-77, R-27 (dont think Navy will buy this), KH- series of PG Missiles and KAB series of guided/ unguided bombs, plus the R-73E.

Overall, the package is quite competitive against the best that India’s rivals can field.

The IN MiG29K’s will also be getting Helmet Mounted Displays, and signature reduction for the aircraft.

The IN has already signed a deal for the latest generation, laser projection full simulator from Germanys AVIOR for the 29-K.

All in all, this is a very capable aircraft.

The Zhuk-MF has been undergoing flight tests on a Mig-29 partly funded by Mig, In fact it is quite likely that the MF will be ready about the same time the 29K is, but of course that aircraft has been in development for some time and its specs fixed for a while. But it does make one wonder why the Indians have not opted for it for either the Mig-29 upgrade programme or the 29K.

www.thalesgroup.com/all/pdf/top_owl.pdf
This says it weighs 4.85 pounds. How does that compare with other systems? Also isn’t it for choppers not planes?

Has anybody seen the TopOwl? Its huge.

cant the Bars be fitted on the mig29K.i think thats more powerful than the ZhukM with a detection range of 150kms?

may even tarang will make it in ,what about the israeli stuffs ???

The Tarang is the RWR, per Harry Tarang Mk2- navalized, Roshni- “illumination”, is the RWR of choice for the Navy.

Israeli stuff? Display map generators, Electronic warfare pod (Elta 8222 variant) to complement the Tusker pod, Video data recorders (for HUD footage), Target designation pods like the Litening (though I dunno whether Navy would require this. Probably only if the 29 K’s have a significant ground attack role).

What sort of radar are we looking for the MiG29k? Zhuk M? or Zhuk MF? What is the difference?

Zhuk M, its a slotted array, MF is phased array.
Zhuk M has a 120 km range against 5 sq Mtr RCS, can track 10 targets, engage 4, has ground mapping modes.
The MF is a paper product, actually more of a developmental one and is still being developed. The IN wanted something fast and off the shelf rather than waiting around & spending more, so they chose the 29 K, which can be integrated with newer weapons etc quicker. The MF technically offers better performance , but as prior experience with Phazatron has showed, the often fantastic claims get downsized pretty fast in the final version..

The Zhuk ME is a reasonable radar, and supports the R-77, R-27 (dont think Navy will buy this), KH- series of PG Missiles and KAB series of guided/ unguided bombs, plus the R-73E.

Overall, the package is quite competitive against the best that India’s rivals can field.

The IN MiG29K’s will also be getting Helmet Mounted Displays, and signature reduction for the aircraft.

The IN has already signed a deal for the latest generation, laser projection full simulator from Germanys AVIOR for the 29-K.

All in all, this is a very capable aircraft.

What sort of radar are we looking for the MiG29k? Zhuk M? or Zhuk MF? What is the difference?

Regards,
USS.

may even tarang will make it in ,what about the israeli stuffs ???

HAL manufactured IFF, Cockpit instrumentation, Radar altimeter, etc
Probably the INCOM freq hopping/encrypted radio
Indian Mission computer, display processors
RWR
SPJ based on the Tusker pod for the Jaguars by DARE/DRDO

Probably similar to the Su-30MKI: some computers and the RWR. I think those are a good bet.