Along with the ex-Groshkov???
MOSCOW, February 11 (RIA Novosti) – The Russian government will order a number of MiG-29 KUB Fulcrum-D carrier-based fighters as part of the state support for the ailing MiG aircraft maker, a deputy prime minister said on Wednesday.
“The state will support in every possible way, including financially, this one of Russia’s largest companies. A draft weapons procurement program envisions the purchase of MiG-29 KUB naval fighters for deployment on future aircraft carriers,” Sergei Ivanov told a meeting of aircraft industry officials in Moscow.
The MiG corporation sustained losses of some 11 billion rubles in 2008, with its debt running at 44.8 billion rubles ($1.25 billion).
Apart from the ongoing financial crisis, the MiG corporation has been hit by Algeria’s decision to tear up a $1.28 billion contract to buy 34 MiG-29s, signed in 2006, over the airplanes’ “inferior quality.” The 15 planes delivered were sent back to Russia.
Ivanov said that Russia’s Defense Ministry would pay 25 billion rubles ($690 million) for 24 MiG fighters produced under the Algerian contract.
Russian Prime Minister Vladimir Putin said earlier on Wednesday he had signed a resolution allocating 15 billion rubles ($417 million) in federal budget funds to the MiG company to increase charter capital through an issue of additional shares.
“These measures will allow us to integrate the MiG corporation into Russia’s United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) without making the UAC bear the burden of the current MiG debts,” Ivanov said.
The MiG corporation is well-known for its MiG-29 and latest MiG-35 Fulcrum-F fighters.
The MiG-35 is a contender with the Eurofighter Typhoon, F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, Dassault Rafale, JAS 39 Gripen and F-16 Falcon in a tender for more than 126 multirole combat aircraft to be procured by the Indian Air Force in the near future.
By: 21Ankush - 18th March 2009 at 19:41
MiG would be fervently hoping that the Indian Navy’s follow-on order for 29 more MiG-29K/KUBs comes through..they’ll be done with building the current order of 16 MiG-29K/KUBs by 2011 itself, and unless the Russians order some or the IN orders its follow-on MiGs, they’ll be left with no work at their factories.
By: Obi Wan Russell - 16th March 2009 at 19:39
The Numbers are as yet unknown, but as a rule of thumb the recent statement from Sukoi about the abortive proposed sale of SU-33s to China can eb used as a guide. The Chinese only wanted two originally with an option on another 50; The two would most likely have been used as pattern aircraft for the Chinese to copy and the ’50’ options would never have been ordered. The Russians saw through this and demanded a minimum order of 24 just to cover production costs, which naturally the chinese, having no intention of actually buying any more from the Russians, refused. So a minimum order of Mig 29Ks from the Russian Navy would presumably have to be a similar minimum number to be worthwhile, and to provide a useful air group for the Kuznetzov as well as attrition spares. I would be surprised if the order was for less than thirty aircraft myself, in the first batch at least.
By: Arabella-Cox - 16th March 2009 at 18:49
Has there been any indication how many Fulcrums the Russian Navy will buy and the expected delivery date?
Well, I haven’t heard any real numbers? (typical). Of course much would depend on. If, the Mig-29K are going to replace the Su-33’s or just supplement them? Regardless, the numbers would be very small and not much help to Mig.
By: pilatus - 16th March 2009 at 12:27
Has there been any indication how many Fulcrums the Russian Navy will buy and the expected delivery date?
By: echonine - 16th March 2009 at 06:30
What a fail thread.
By: hawkdriver05 - 15th March 2009 at 12:17
comrade skootar,
didn’t a few weeks ago, you didn’t believe the possibility of MIG-29Ks going to the Gorshkov?
what would be funny and ironic is if Gorshkov negotiations fail, and Russia decides to suddenly keep the Gorshkov for themselves and some of the MiG-29Ks.. and in the end, took advantage of the Indians paying for it! that would be evil. yet I think they might well be capable of that!
And India would never buy weapons from them again.
By: ante_climax - 15th March 2009 at 10:02
and in the end, took advantage of the Indians paying for it! that would be evil. yet I think they might well be capable of that!
Russia will have to pay us back the 500 million we already paid then. Oh and we will return their Mig 29Ks as well
By: Arabella-Cox - 15th March 2009 at 07:54
comrade skootar,
didn’t a few weeks ago, you didn’t believe the possibility of MIG-29Ks going to the Gorshkov?
what would be funny and ironic is if Gorshkov negotiations fail, and Russia decides to suddenly keep the Gorshkov for themselves and some of the MiG-29Ks.. and in the end, took advantage of the Indians paying for it! that would be evil. yet I think they might well be capable of that!
By: ante_climax - 15th March 2009 at 07:20
There will be no “PAK-FA”….naval or otherwise. Its just waaaaaay too expensive.
It will cost less than the Raptor and F 35. It will probably be less expensive than the typhoon. Russians are being smart here, developing the PAK FA version they want to without considering Indian needs and then for the Naval and double-seat variants doing a 50-50 partnership with India. So HAL would be funding/helping them make a Naval and two seated variant of an already existing fighter. Excellent. :rolleyes:
It would make sense to produce more Migs 29KUBs and keep the line running than to upgrade the old Su 33s ( which are not many in number ). May be they can sell them to China as pointed out, I doubt they will though.
By: hawkdriver05 - 15th March 2009 at 04:06
There will be no “PAK-FA”….naval or otherwise. Its just waaaaaay too expensive.
By: echonine - 15th March 2009 at 03:59
Typical……..:rolleyes:
ZZzzzzz .. . . .
By: Arabella-Cox - 15th March 2009 at 02:46
ZZzzzz…
Typical……..:rolleyes:
By: echonine - 14th March 2009 at 23:21
Hardly effective to have a AirWing of half Air Superiority Fighters and half Strike Fighters. The USN did at one point and found it to be far less adaptable……….and they had much larger AirWings to boot! :rolleyes:
ZZzzzz…
By: Arabella-Cox - 14th March 2009 at 22:27
LOL!? :confused:
American can’t afford F-35s, you are confused.
Hardly effective to have a AirWing of half Air Superiority Fighters and half Strike Fighters. The USN did at one point and found it to be far less adaptable……….and they had much larger AirWings to boot! :rolleyes:
By: echonine - 14th March 2009 at 22:14
That would be a expensive mix and Russia can hardly afford two different types on its lone Carrier……………
LOL!? :confused:
American can’t afford F-35s, you are confused.
By: Arabella-Cox - 14th March 2009 at 22:14
If they really wanted, they could upgrade those Su-33 platforms into Su-27SM level machines if not better.
That would be the better choice in my opinion. Yet, Russia is trying to keep Mig- Production going………:(
By: Arabella-Cox - 14th March 2009 at 22:12
Well it just came in a recent article that Russia plans to operate Naval PAK-FA and Mig-29K as its future aircraft for its new Carrier fleet , the three they plan to build.
Naval PAK-FA is not a myth , it first came in Janes that India was asking for it and Russia too now is keen as its new gen Naval platform.
The PAK-FA and Mig-29K presents a good mix of Hi-Lo , Mig-29K is in itself a very capable platform.
I think the Su-33 will go away or will get transferred to Russian AF after the death of Kuznetsov.
Well, a Hi-Low Mix is of little value on a Aircraft Carrier. As they just don’t have the numbers to support it………
Also, as for three new Carriers. I have my doubts as Russia is in serious money troubles. Let’s not forget she is getting a total of 50 Aircraft this year and many are ex-Algerian Mig-29 Example! Peronsonally, I don’t think she could even afford a small number of Su-35’s. Let alone three large Carriers and Naval PAK-FA’s to go on them…………….With all do respect!:cool:
By: echonine - 14th March 2009 at 22:12
Nah because the Mig 29 Ks/KUBs are more capable and smaller than the current fleet of SU 33s which would require extensive upgrades to be viable in the near future. The Mig 29Ks are already upgraded and add the Zhuk AE you will get a very formidable platform :). May be the Kuznet can carry more Mig 29Ks than it can Su 33s.
If they really wanted, they could upgrade those Su-33 platforms into Su-27SM level machines if not better.
By: Arabella-Cox - 14th March 2009 at 22:05
Unlikely, the two aircraft were originally scheduled to serve side by side on the Soviet incarnation of the Kuznetzov class, with the SU-33s serving in the fleet defence role and the Mig-29s in the strike fighter roll akin to the F-18. The Su-33s will most likely stay on if the Migs are brought in to service in order to give the appearance of a much larger (and more capable) air group for ‘showing the flag’ purposes, which seems to be of higher priority to the Russian leadership at the present than actual combat capability. Kuznetzov has had to make do with a much reduced air group since completion due to the fall of the USSR and the resultant lack of aircraft production.
That would be a expensive mix and Russia can hardly afford two different types on its lone Carrier……………
By: Arabella-Cox - 14th March 2009 at 21:43
Well it just came in a recent article that Russia plans to operate Naval PAK-FA and Mig-29K as its future aircraft for its new Carrier fleet , the three they plan to build.
Naval PAK-FA is not a myth , it first came in Janes that India was asking for it and Russia too now is keen as its new gen Naval platform.
The PAK-FA and Mig-29K presents a good mix of Hi-Lo , Mig-29K is in itself a very capable platform.
I think the Su-33 will go away or will get transferred to Russian AF after the death of Kuznetsov.
or.. they can just sell them to China 😉
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