Many years ago I expressed an interest in recreating a replica of the Miles M1 Satyr.
Since early February I’ve been using Sketchup to create this long forgotten biplane, using only a few photographs and drawings to guide me.
My design therefore can only be described as a representation, and not an exact replica. The aircraft is designed to be made mostly from plywood, cut using a CNC router.
I’m still working on the struts, wing tips, undercarriage and central wing section, but I am going to take a breather, so I can concentrate on other projects over the summer.
Some design features have been omitted or changed to suit my level of competence. At this stage I have also omitted some components like hinges and cockpit items, which can be bought ready made.
I just like the feedback from those who might be able to add to the design, without me having to start from scratch again. I’d like to think that she will fly, but the costs involved are prohibited.
Incidentally, I’m looking for a suitable Miles Aircraft Company logo to adorn the fuselage when completed. All leads appreciated
By: Arabella-Cox - 4th August 2021 at 14:23
You can look as much as you wish, but you’ll never find a “Popjoy.” There are still Pobjoys around, though.
“Popjoy” is one alternative spelling of the family name Pobjoy. Other variations include Pabjay, Papigay, Papjay, Papejay, Papinjay, Pobgee, Popejoy, Popingay, and Popjoye.
The earliest known ancestor of Douglas Pobjoy is Walter Popejoy. He married Margarett Taylor at Bath Abbey church on 5 July 1591.
And there are Pobjoy engine drawing to be had. To date, I’ve collect nearly 60 of them.
By: The Blue Max - 3rd May 2014 at 20:26
You can look as much as you wish, but you’ll never find a “Popjoy.” There are still Pobjoys around, though.
I blame predictive text!!!!!
By: TwinOtter23 - 3rd May 2014 at 17:45
Sorry about that, but TBH I’m not surprised. When I worked at one of their sister companies my interest in aviation was well known and the topic never came up in relation to their archive, which at the time was located in the West Midlands.
The only aviation connections bizarrely came through Railweight, a couple of the people that founded that company were ex-aviation engineers from the Manchester area – lots of Shackleton stories from them during meetings in Stockport in the 1990s! 🙂
By: Phillip Rhodes - 3rd May 2014 at 16:12
As posted on the Drawings thread Avery now trade as Avery Weigh-Tronix™ and they do have a museum that might be able to assist:
http://www.averyweigh-tronix.com/About-Us/Avery-Historical-Museum/
I’ve checked with this museum, and sadly they don’t have any drawings related to the Satyr. Likewise, I’ve checked with other collections, museums and archives. It might be that any surviving drawings or plans have been incorrectly catalogued, but I don’t have the means to verify who has what!
By: TwinOtter23 - 3rd May 2014 at 11:06
As posted on the Drawings thread Avery now trade as Avery Weigh-Tronix™ and they do have a museum that might be able to assist:
http://www.averyweigh-tronix.com/About-Us/Avery-Historical-Museum/
By: sopwith.7f1 - 3rd May 2014 at 10:58
Back in the 70’s or 80’s there were a number of Satyr drawings in a draw, in an office of the Avery company in Bristol “makers of scales etc”, I’m not sure exactly how many nor if they were GA’s or parts drawings, as the info came via a 3rd party.
Bob T.
By: Phillip Rhodes - 2nd May 2014 at 19:27
You can look as much as you wish, but you’ll never find a “Popjoy.” There are still Pobjoys around, though.
Oops!
By: Phillip Rhodes - 2nd May 2014 at 19:16
Sadly, after years of searching, I’ve had to concur with other enthusiasts; the original plans were either lost or destroyed decades ago. All I’ve had to work with are photographs and a set of 1/4 scale RC plans, which do little to convey the internal structure.
The original idea was to built a flying replica, but…
I’m not sure? Even if the design was assessed as being airworthy, I’m not keen on building something that someone else will rely on to keep him or her alive at 10,000ft! And then there is the cost; my design relies heavily on plywood. To build a static replica would require cheap-as-chips B&Q £10/£40 sheets (2mm to 24mm), whereas an airworthy structure would require aviation-grade wood costing ten times that amount!
By: Stepwilk - 2nd May 2014 at 19:04
You can look as much as you wish, but you’ll never find a “Popjoy.” There are still Pobjoys around, though.
By: The Blue Max - 2nd May 2014 at 17:48
Great project, Popjoys are still out there if you look about. Are there any original drawings available?
By: Phillip Rhodes - 2nd May 2014 at 13:21
One option is to built the engine out of CNC machined and 3D printed parts, if I decide to build a static replica!
By: Phillip Rhodes - 2nd May 2014 at 02:25
May I suggest that you consider the Australian Rotec radial? Their Web address is RotecEngines.com and Email is [email]RotecAdmin@bigpond.com[/email]
Sadly the Rotec is too heavy.
By: Stan Smith - 2nd May 2014 at 02:17
May I suggest that you consider the Australian Rotec radial? Their Web address is RotecEngines.com and Email is [email]RotecAdmin@bigpond.com[/email]
By: Phillip Rhodes - 2nd May 2014 at 01:32
Great project, but if you are going to build it, it would be aswell to make it airworthy, because it will be an awful lot of work either way, IMHO. Incidentally what engine are you planning on using?
The differences between a static replica and a flying machine are too great. For example, the only viable engine is the Verner Scarlett 7H radial engine, which is still in development. The engine is heavier than the original Pobjoy, which will alter the centre of gravity. My design is also heavier. That said, I’d like to submit my design to LAA for appraisal. More to follow…
By: Sopwith - 1st May 2014 at 21:40
Great project, but if you are going to build it, it would be aswell to make it airworthy, because it will be an awful lot of work either way, IMHO. Incidentally what engine are you planning on using?
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