Miles Sparrowhawk G-ADNL

I’m surprised no one mentioned that the Miles House colours were Cream and Red. 91regal That is a nice model collection of real aeroplanes, from Crusader to Kitten.

John

Would that date from Ron Paine’s restoration at Castle Donnington after it was hacked about by Tony Osbourne? Ron had some beautiful photos of G-ADGP – and once when I was at his house in Weybridge we were talking about trophies and he said he had won the Siddeley Trophy so many times that the Royal Aero Club had presented it to him in perpetuity – he then showed it to me (Mrs Paine kept cut roses in it!)

It was removed at the time of G-ADGP rebuild back to it black and cream scheme. 1988 ish…….I think.

Civil Aero

Thank you G-ORDY, I do have the old Instrument panel out of the Speed six in the shed so I will have a look at that.

Civil Aero

Would that date from Ron Paine’s restoration at Castle Donnington after it was hacked about by Tony Osbourne? Ron had some beautiful photos of G-ADGP – and once when I was at his house in Weybridge we were talking about trophies and he said he had won the Siddeley Trophy so many times that the Royal Aero Club had presented it to him in perpetuity – he then showed it to me (Mrs Paine kept cut roses in it!)

You don’t ask for much do you 🙂

I don’t know if this is any good? http://www.myhobbystore.co.uk/product/18284/miles-m2l-hawk-speed-six-line-drawing-2063

As G-ADNL utilised a modified Hawk fuselage (as opposed to a new-build like the later Sparrowhawks) I would guess it would have used a standard instrument panel layout as installed in the Hawk Major and/or Speed Six?

Thank you G-ORDY, I do have the old Instrument panel out of the Speed six in the shed so I will have a look at that.

Civil Aero

Thanks G-ORDY for looking out those great photos.I think it looked great in the said cream and red scheme. I have no info on the instrument lay out if you can help….

Civil Aero

You don’t ask for much do you 🙂

I don’t know if this is any good? http://www.myhobbystore.co.uk/product/18284/miles-m2l-hawk-speed-six-line-drawing-2063

As G-ADNL utilised a modified Hawk fuselage (as opposed to a new-build like the later Sparrowhawks) I would guess it would have used a standard instrument panel layout as installed in the Hawk Major and/or Speed Six?

Looks like it retained the racing number “9” as late as 1939 …

http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1435312/

Thanks G-ORDY for looking out those great photos.I think it looked great in the said cream and red scheme. I have no info on the instrument lay out if you can help….

Civil Aero

Looks like it retained the racing number “9” as late as 1939 …

http://www.abpic.co.uk/photo/1435312/

An old thread ref the restoration of this aircraft
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?77538-Miles-Sparrowhawk

SparrowJET……..Even !!!!

I don’t think that it was my day, yesterday!

Four photos from the 1935 King’s Cup Air Race showing G-ADNL.

I think the confusion over whether it won or not comes from the fact that it put up the fastest time on the first day of the competition (the round Britain race) but was beaten on the multi-lap event on the second day.

The only time it won was in 1957 as a Sparrowhawk.

SparrowJET……..Even !!!!

Planemike

G-ADNL was flown by F.G Miles in the 1935 Kings Cup

I apologise. Clearly I did not read my sources (http://mail.afleetingpeace.org/afp/the-kings-cup/kings-cup-arithmetic/74 and http://mail.afleetingpeace.org/afp/the-kings-cup/66) carefully enough (although the error in the former sent me off down the wrong track). But my basic point remains unaltered. G-ADNL did not win and finished only eleventh in the 1935 race. The only time it won was in 1957 as a Sparrowhawk.

Flight Global have digitised the race report:

http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1935/1935%20-2-%200303.html

page 273 “The Final” says that the Phillips & Powis employees were wearing red and cream rosettes and had come “en masse” in motor coaches from Reading.

I think we can be sure it was cream with red lettering …

the colour scheme that the Sparrowhawk wore in 1935 – a year in which it did not enter the Kings Cup! It did not enter the Kings Cup until 1936 – when it finished in ninth place – and last did so (as a Sparrowhawk) in 1937 – when it finished in seventh place. So could you please clarify your request, civil aero?

G-ADNL was flown by F.G Miles in the 1935 Kings Cup, a two-day race based from Hatfield. Day 1 was the long-range event and Day 2 was the short-circuit race.

Some details here: http://www.air-racing-history.com/aircraft/Miles%20Sparrow%20Hawk.htm

and here:

http://afleetingpeace.org/afp/the-kings-cup/the-races/66

Now I’m a little confused as to which Kings Cup race this thread is addressing. In his first post, civil aero asked for details of the colour scheme worn by G-ADNL when ‘it raced in the Kings Cup? (first place winner)’. As the only time G-ADNL was in first place and the winner of the Kings Cup was 1957, whilst appreciating that this thread is entitled ‘Miles Sparrowhawk G-ADNL’ I assumed that he was enquiring about the colour scheme which the Sparrowjet wore on that occasion. However the most recent exchanges seem to relate to the colour scheme that the Sparrowhawk wore in 1935 – a year in which it did not enter the Kings Cup! It did not enter the Kings Cup until 1936 – when it finished in ninth place – and last did so (as a Sparrowhawk) in 1937 – when it finished in seventh place. So could you please clarify your request, civil aero?

It may be worth contacting the Royal Aero Club archivist, as that body has always organised the event and is likely to hold original documentation. Aircraft colours used to appear in air racing programmes and so presumably entrants had to declare them in advance maybe on race entrance applications? Perhaps the RAeC may also have images?

Tim

I can scan the photos I have but it’s a poor photocopy so not too good. I’m sure the Adwest archive will have the originals, if not Flight or Aeroplane photo library should have the 1935 King’s Cup. Try Julian Temple at Brooklands.

Probably a good choice, from memory I’m sure that Ron Paine told me he had his Hawk Speed Six, G-ADGP, painted cream and red because that was how the Miles team had raced in the 1935 King’s Cup. I’ll look to see if I have any solid evidence anywhere.

Yep – “The Book of Miles Aircraft” by A.H.Lukins and D.A. Russell (May 1946) states that it had a “highly polished cream and red finish” for the 1935 King’s Cup Air Race (page 34). There are two photos of it with the racing number 9 on the rudder – probably available from the Adwest Archive at Brooklands.

Thank you GORDY ,that’s a start. I will keep looking for photos from that years Kings Cup air race. Thank you rochford, Do I need to call you Sir Rochford now…..

Civil Aero

GORDY – very well done.
Civil – MY tiger is going into civil marks -so I can underline in my book

:highly_amused:

Rochford, it’s the 1935 paint scheme I like, maybe the wartime scheme would look good on your Short wing Piper or Tiger Moth…..!

Civil Aero…:highly_amused:

I think Cream and Red would look good……?

Probably a good choice, from memory I’m sure that Ron Paine told me he had his Hawk Speed Six, G-ADGP, painted cream and red because that was how the Miles team had raced in the 1935 King’s Cup. I’ll look to see if I have any solid evidence anywhere.

Yep – “The Book of Miles Aircraft” by A.H.Lukins and D.A. Russell (May 1946) states that it had a “highly polished cream and red finish” for the 1935 King’s Cup Air Race (page 34). There are two photos of it with the racing number 9 on the rudder – probably available from the Adwest Archive at Brooklands.