Miss Helen thread

Thanks Moggy C.

Surely the only thing that matters regarding this thread is that the pilot did not sustain any injury and that Historic Aviation enthusiasts will soon be able to drool over this magnificent aircraft once again.

We all share a common interest – let’s just enjoy that fact!

The way I see it,

1. We have all made post’s which on reflection perhaps we wish we haddent.

2. Before making a post think of any consequences that may become of it

3. No one benefits by making rash judgements – that is the job of an enquiry.

4. Never hit your keyboard while adrenalin is still flowing – wait. ( Don’t react, think ).

5. If you see something you think is not right then a forum is not the place to discuss it, contact the CAA or the aircraft operator.

To quote warbird UK, form the original thread, the pilot is fine, and the aircraft is now back on its wheels in the hangar.

warbirdUK is a real live engineer, who is closely associated with the operation of Miss Helen and others. He does not deserve some of the downright rude comments that have been seen on this thread.

I have been involved in the operation and restoration of warbird aircraft since 1991, and of static aircraft since 1987. I have a simple policy on posting here – If I know something about the subject, I will post about it. If I dont, then I keep quiet – simple. I dont always get it right, but it does limit the amount of mistakes I make!

Watching warbirds, or anything else for that matter is a subjective experience; we all experience it slightly differently. So if you make a comment on what you saw, it might differ from somebody else recollections. It is all too easy as well, to suffer from the jungle tom-toms, where the message gets distorted depending on how many mouths it has been through. Dont use an example such as an engine taking a long time to start to explain a problem – my old jag takes a long time to start, but it doesnt make it any less serviceable! And if one engine sounds different to another; well thats not unusual either; there are many factors that affect engine noise on warbirds.

And remember, that the people that count; the engineers, the owners and the operators DO ALL read this board, or are aware of it. If you offend them, you never know what the repercussions may be down the line….

Bruce

This was in the original vanishing thread.

Pilot is fine.

Airframe is a bit bent, but not terminal.

Moggy

Gentlemen,

Sorry to appear thick, but could someone please confirm the current condition of ‘Miss Helen’ and that the pilot was OK.

Over the years that I have been visiting this forum, I have learned many, many things and my opinions and attitudes to the warbird movement as a whole have changed considerably.

This is largely due to the likes of WarbirdUK and Yak11Fan (and many others) who are actually involved in keeping historic aeroplanes in the air. Without them this forum would, I think, lose it’s way. It is people like this that keep us pointing in the right direction.
While everybody is entitled to their opinion, I think ‘considered opinions’ would be more appropriate.

I think this sums it up…..

1. There is always somebody out there who knows more than you do
2. Only by listening to them can you hope to learn yourself
3. Envy of their postion/abilities should inspire you to achieve…..

…..not to attack

Willow
(I hope the above makes sense :confused: )

Yak 11 Fan and Warbird UK.
I wish you would reconsider leaving the Forum.
This forum has a good reputation and everytime someone walks away it’s a collective loss.
The majority of people here appreciate and read what you have to say.
Andy

So should I come back and post when im ‘bum chums’ with Stephen Grey…
Or a excellent photographer…
Or when I live at Duxford…

Ive made my feelings clear about this subject.. And hope to post more positive things from now on…

You post away old chap, whether anybody can be bothered to respond or not will remain to be seen after making such stupid comments.

A good number of people who post here have worked very long and hard to allow us to see the wide variety of vintage aircraft which we are lucky enough to see today, it would seem a very great shame to see them forced away. Still I guess as you’ve made your feelings clear that’s OK, best the rest of us shut up come round to your way of thinking and get on with it.

I’m seriously beginning to wonder if this is all worth while any more.

Having owned and flown a variety of warbirds for more than two decades, I feel that it is a bit of a shame that we debate these issues without real knowledge and it also seems to me that lots of speculation combined with a little bit of knowlege can become a very negative event. Let me say that owning and flying these fantastic machines provides much pleasure and enjoyment to many however flying warbirds can involve considerable risk to those concerned whether it be personal injury[ or death]/loss of machinery/financial or whatever.

We are here because we love the machines and what they represent. Let’s not spoilt the it and keep some semblence of decorum and enjoyment for all.

Oscar Duck

Without fail, every major incident or minor prang to befall a historic aircraft is dissected on this forum, and inevitably dissolves into a frenzy of accusation between the ‘Speculators’ and the self-appointed Wise Old Heads, who are far too sensible to indulge in public conjecture. Considering we share the same interests and concerns, it is surprising that the automatic response to any bad news is an orgy of in-fighting that rivals ‘The Peoples’ Front of Judea’.

The rush to be the first to hurl the ‘Speculator’ insult is so predictable now, it is hardly worth the bother. It is also a complete waste of time. The instinct of people to discuss amongst themselves what they saw, or heard, or think, is so ingrained, that it cannot, and probably should not be supressed. This is, after all a forum for discussion, and although we enjoy the contributions of some well-informed participants, what is said here is of no real consequence beyond those who choose to take part.

That said, it is not a matter of speculation but simple good manners to refrain from public observations about the competence, habits and abilities of aircraft operators, especially in the aftermath of an incident when nerves are very raw. It is likely that some well-known figures look in here from time to time, and would be upset to see themselves mis-represented. We do not need more regulating or moderating, just a bit of common sense.

Hey Warbirdnut,

Please don’t go I almost left but recieved a rather nice e-mail from one of the Moderators, and I’ve decide to post. Now for what Mustangman saw and heard is just that he witness what happen when the plane left.

It like what I posted on Mike Potters Spit prang. I saw it heard and doc. the recovery and talked with Mr.Potter about what happen and reported what I saw and heard.

Now Mustangman reported what he saw and heard and Warbirdnut came along and inserted the correct information. So my Question to all of you is whats the problem.

As for the question about what happens to airframes that have been involved in fatals is a tricky one that needs to be worded the right way.Example( What happen to Ed Steads Hunter after it Crash at Manchaster NH) there its not to hard of a question simply put and should get a straight answer which for this crash is after the FAA and insurance company got done with the Airframe Ed sold it.

Anyway thats my two and half cents US. maybe the moderator should lock this thread

Rubbish…
What was wrong with what mustangman originally posted about the incident…?? He was there… He posted what he saw…. SIMPLE.
So because he IS NOT a warbird engineer… does that make his statment invalid ? YES is what you jolly old experts are saying.

So should I come back and post when im ‘bum chums’ with Stephen Grey…
Or a excellent photographer…
Or when I live at Duxford…

Ive made my feelings clear about this subject.. And hope to post more positive things from now on…

I do hope you read your own posts again a day later. Try writing a reply to yourself before posting, it makes it easier to see what others will 🙁

If those who actually know the facts about an incident or restoration cease to post, the forum will be much the poorer. Please continue to post Warbird UK and allow us to know the actual situation. I for one highly value the posts of those who are involved in the day-to-day operation of warbirds.

To the speculators please give people the chance to post the actual facts. There is a danger that without the facts we over sensationalise what we see. Half truths can get blown up out of all proportion and there are certainly members of this forum that seem to jump on any apparent errors on the part of warbird operators.

I rely on the generous warbird operators to be able to see the types of aircraft in the element the aircraft belong in. I personally would like this forum to become a place where warbird operators can express their opinions without fear of unfounded and hasty criticism.

Warbirduk please keep posting and those who are armchair critics please do not jump to uninformed conclusions.

We on this forum should be attracting those who are in a position to own and operate aircraft and not driving them away. We will learn more about what is happening and understand the problems they face if they are able and willing to continue to post.

Warbirduk, Hairyplane, Steve Patterson and others give us a valuable insight into the world of owning historic aircraft – please don’t drive them away.

I never said anything whatsoever about MustangMan’s statement. I know nothing about MustangMan. I think it was perhaps unwise to speculate about pilots missing checks, but that’s besides the point.

WarbirdUK provided information about Miss Helen’s current state, and what actually happened when Mr Lamplough put her down. If you recall, until then there was speculation that the report was incorrect and that nothing had happened. It seems nobody else had any knowledge of what actually happened.

It seems to me that a lot of people on this forum seem to prefer speculation to information.

He gave us FIRST HAND INFORMATION on the circumstances of Miss Helen’s incident at the weekend

Rubbish…
What was wrong with what mustangman originally posted about the incident…?? He was there… He posted what he saw…. SIMPLE.
So because he IS NOT a warbird engineer… does that make his statment invalid ? YES is what you jolly old experts are saying.

So should I come back and post when im ‘bum chums’ with Stephen Grey…
Or a excellent photographer…
Or when I live at Duxford…

Ive made my feelings clear about this subject.. And hope to post more positive things from now on…

I think it would be a great loss is WarbirdUK would stop frequenting this forum.

Please don’t!!!!!!! 😮

IMHO, This forum has a unique mix of enthusiasts with knowledge in every imaginative field regarding the British Warbirds scene. This is what makes this forum the best infomed and most enjoyable regarding British and European (ok, also Mustang :rolleyes: ) around.

It would be a great pity if a few misguided people would spoil everything for the rest of us who really appreciate the input by WarbirdUK,

Just my honest opinion.

Cheers

Cees

I will second Snapper…

As for warbirdUK, please stay and continue your input. I appreciate that there are a few uninformed people, set on abusing others. On the other hand there are many people I have met that I would class as good friends, with a wealth of knowledge which they love to share as well as learn from others.

Please accept my apologies for others, I for one have learnt much from everyone on here, I would hate to lose the group of people that have so much to give and do so.

Gentlemen, can’t i even go on holiday without you lot going mad again?

Stop it. Now. Robbo is aware of the same things I am aware of. Pratting about with what you say on here DOES have consequences. And so far we are lucky they haven’t been too serious – though it was ‘a damned close run thing’.

We really need the more informed among us to keep us correct and “in the know” as and when the need arises – stick around, warbirdUK!!

God knows I probably need corrected often enough!! 😉

Lets hope that those involved with the aviation world stay with the forum, I for one would not blame them should they decide not to post here any longer however.