Mission Bombers * 2 January 1945 *

Thanks for the info. I realise it is hard to find out. I underestimate
this….
My intention is not to contact the crewmembers and to accused them. No, i just am interested for my own information. So i just hoped someone here could help me further. But i did underestimate that it is hard to find out.

More information about the plain i do not have….So that will make it harder to find out unfortunately

Thanks for your help and time anyway!

I am surprised by the early take-off times of Bomber Command aircraft for the raids that I have listed but for a take-off time of 16:00 it would be impossible for an aircraft to still be airborne carrying bombs at 09:00 or even 07:00 the next day.

This would lead me to believe that the aircraft, if it was British, would have belonged to the RAF Second Tactical Air Force (2TAF) but this is little more than guesswork on my part. There would have been large numbers of twin-engined and single-engined fighter-bombers operating at low-level from the continent by January 1945 but is not an area where I have much knowledge.

Anything you could say about the aircraft would be a great help; how many engines did it have?

Why do your witnesses think it was a British aircraft; were the markings visible?

Vin.

With all due respect I think it’s going to be very difficult to track a ‘culprit’ down. There must have been hundreds of operations carried out by tactical units which I suppose could be traced but I don’t know difficult that might be. I suspect it would be very difficult and involve trawling through both Group and Squadron Operational Record Books.

I wish you the best of luck but I really don’t think you’ll be able to narrow down identification. There may well have been several aircraft which, in trouble, had to jettison bomb loads but nothing would tie in with the timings offered by Creaking Door. And, if an aircraft was in so much trouble that the crew needed to jettison their load, would they had the time or the foresight to record their position when the load was jettisoned?

I think this, and the other incident you are researching can be put down to nothing more than one of the tragedies of war. I’m not suggesting you shouldn’t investigate it, but what would you do if you did manage to establish the aircraft and crew involved? Would you try to contact surviving aircrew? To what purpose?

There is an English expression, let sleeping dogs lie. Perhaps these incidents should be left to sleep?

Regards,

kev35

Thanks for your reply!
The witness told me: “in was a English bomber” “in the early morning, at 9am”
“There was no fire after the impact only damage because of the airpressure”.
“There were 2 people at work in the kitchen, both people did not survice the impact” (I think the were making the breakfast?)

That is what the witness told me….Problably 9am, could be 7am?

The witness also told me:”some people were still in bed during the impact”

Does anyone have any suggestions to know more about this?

The timing of the event, 09:00 hours (not 21:00 hours?) would seem to rule-out most Bomber Command aircraft; to my mind 09:00 is too late on 2nd January for bombers returning from night operations, although I could be wrong.

Bomber Command night targets for 1/2 January 1945:

Mittelland Canal – Gravenhorst section – 152 Lancasters (16:50) plus 5 Mosquitoes of 5 Group

Vohwinkel – Railway yards – 146 aircraft (15:50 – 16:00) of 3 Group

Dortmund – Benzol plant – 105 Halifaxes (16:35 – 16:45) of 4 Group plus 18 Lancasters plus 16 Mosquitoes of 5 Group

Hanau – 28 Mosquitoes (16:20)

Hannover – 28 Mosquitoes

(I’ve listed the take-off times of some of the bombers.)

There were no Bomber Command daylight targets for 2 January 1945 but this information from ‘The Bomber Command War Diaries’ by Middlebrook / Everitt does not cover the many other units that may have been carrying bombs over Europe on 2nd January 1945.

Thanks for your kindly help!!:confused:

I wonder what the reason for asking is ? :confused:

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Hello,

I am working at a website about the surroundings of Schiphol (Haarlemmermeer). So A witness told me the above story. That is why i want to find out which bomber problably is responsible for this accident?

I hope someone can help me.

The website will be ready at may 2012 (first in English, maybe later in English)
www.haarlemmermeer1940-1945.nl

I wonder what the reason for asking is ? :confused: