Mistrals for Russia???

There is list of cooperative projects but in terms of dollar value this one is biggest one. and Russian i think deliberatly publicized this fact to Emarati newspaper. Design is too abstract things for them to understand. just tell them things in tons and kilos.

http://www.thenational.ae/thenationalconversation/industry-insights/aviation/russias-aircraft-makers-spread-their-wings#page2
“In the last few years, we’ve signed a lot of contracts – most of which were for titanium products and newly built titanium alloy,” said Rostechnologii’s director general, Sergey Chemezov, as he watched Boeing’s 787 Dreamliner do its aerial display.

“The plane that you and I just saw consists of about 20 tonnes of titanium products, all of which were made in Russia.”

[email]dblack@thenational.ae[/email]

These Russian imports/cooperations have to do with developing geostrategic links and gravity, and then of course tech/know-how transfer. Rostechnologii and Oboronservice run around and look for a lot of things. Btw, did anyone notice that Jackson-Vanik has been repealed for the RF (even though now there is that Magnitsky Act …).

Thing is
-The newer FSAPDS rounds are designed to defeat ERA. Even Russia has them(there’s one with a tandem warhead developed for the T-90’s gun).
-The T-80 and T-90 aren’t covered from top to bottom in ERA. There are many areas with no ERA blocks where an ATGM or RPG can hit.

1.) There are certainly shells designed to combat era like K-5, but the balance swings back constantly. Relikt for example is designed with modern ammo in mind.
2.) True, but that can be said of any tank with weakspots in general, or areas not covered by composite arrays.

Also no need to insult Tigr or Lynx by comparing it the box on wheels HUMVEE 😉 .

Damn, I just realized this thread is old, and why are we talking about Tanks in a naval forum?

Chirkin says many things.

In the 2020 armament plan there are if anything more tracked vehicles than wheeled. What the actual breakdown is we will see in several years as vehicles pass gov trials. But the Russian Army will not accept the mobility loss from a majority of wheeled vehicles, unless you include light (Tigr, Lynx, etc) vehicles and trucks as well. In terms of IFVs and APCs (Boomerang and Kurganets) we will not see a majority of the former.

What else did chirky say? and do u have the 2020 armament plan?

Pretty bold, Austin. K-5 ERA on (T-80U and all T-90 models) is designed to withstand sabots. Try hitting the lower, moving silhouette in a weak point too. 😉 Far far easier said than done.

IEDs have killed Abrams crews, what does that tell you about the “safest” western tank? Hmm..

Thing is
-The newer FSAPDS rounds are designed to defeat ERA. Even Russia has them(there’s one with a tandem warhead developed for the T-90’s gun).
-The T-80 and T-90 aren’t covered from top to bottom in ERA. There are many areas with no ERA blocks where an ATGM or RPG can hit.

I’m interested to see how Boomerang and Kurganets turn out. So far I’ve only seen models and drawings, but I liked what I saw. Hopefully they won’t get cancelled in favour of another import like the Iveco LAVs that substituted various Russian Hummvee-skis. If they do become a reality, I doubt there’ll be anything French inside them besides maybe the optics and fire control systems.

Chirkin says many things.

In the 2020 armament plan there are if anything more tracked vehicles than wheeled. What the actual breakdown is we will see in several years as vehicles pass gov trials. But the Russian Army will not accept the mobility loss from a majority of wheeled vehicles, unless you include light (Tigr, Lynx, etc) vehicles and trucks as well. In terms of IFVs and APCs (Boomerang and Kurganets) we will not see a majority of the former.

Yeah, that article isn’t very accurate.
BTR-90 was dead a long time, next was Gilza, now is Boomerang, a Russian product.
The only French vehicles bought might be for evaluation at best.
There has been a flurry of “Russia is going to buy XXX’s IFV!” news lately, but that are just that.

And tracked vehicles are not going anywhere, in fact the brigade structure planned does not show any favoritism to wheeled vehicles compared to before at all.

Sorry for OT.

ground force commander verifying shift to wheeled armored vehicles (not that track is being removed). Its not just Russia either but a trend in Europe

Russia To Equip Ground Forces With Mainly Wheeled Armoured Vehicles – Wheels Extend Vehicle Service Life

July 17, 2012. 12:54 pm • Section: Defence Watch

The RIA Novosti news service is reporting that the Russian Defense Ministry has decided to equip the country’s ground forces mostly with wheeled rather than tracked armored vehicles.

Ground Force commander Col. Gen. Vladimir Chirkin told the Russian news service that “The Defence Ministry has decided to replace the majority of tracked armored vehicles with wheeled vehicles. We will soon start R&D work on the development of wheeled vehicles.”
The general said the replacement will involve self-propelled guns, air defence systems and light tanks.
One of the main reasons for the replacement is the longer service life of the wheeled vehicles, Chirkin told RIA Novosti.
“The service life of the tracked vehicles until a major overhaul is up to 30,000 kilometers while that of the wheeled vehicles is up to 1 million kilometers,” Chirkin said.
Wheeled vehicles will also allow the military to minimize railroad transport during redeployment.

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com/2012/07/17/russia-to-equip-ground-forces-with-mainly-wheeled-armoured-vehicles-wheels-extend-vehicle-service-life/

Yeah, that article isn’t very accurate.
BTR-90 was dead a long time, next was Gilza, now is Boomerang, a Russian product.
The only French vehicles bought might be for evaluation at best.
There has been a flurry of “Russia is going to buy XXX’s IFV!” news lately, but that are just that.

And tracked vehicles are not going anywhere, in fact the brigade structure planned does not show any favoritism to wheeled vehicles compared to before at all.

Sorry for OT.

on more France-Russia related news,

Russia has announced its going to favor wheeled armored vehicles over tracked, and to begin with, instead of buying BTR-90s and what not, they want to buy French!
http://www.acus.org/natosource/russia-france-jointly-build-armored-vehicle

likely this new vehicle will be based on the French VBCI

The Russian Air Force considers the unmanned aerial vehicles offered by domestic manufacturers to be inferior in quality[/URL]” implies Russia makes UAVs…

I did not mean literally – they have had UAVs since the 1970s by your definition.

I’m talking about reliable, long-endurance UAVs. Those are inferior, certainly, mostly because the programs were never cared for or did not exist.

are you saying there’s a tank that is invulnerable to such things?

What I am saying is all tanks are very far from invulnerable.

Pretty bold, Austin. K-5 ERA on (T-80U and all T-90 models) is designed to withstand sabots. Try hitting the lower, moving silhouette in a weak point too. 😉 Far far easier said than done.

IEDs have killed Abrams crews, what does that tell you about the “safest” western tank? Hmm..

are you saying there’s a tank that is invulnerable to such things?

Why buy western tanks when you’re already developing a superior one. Read up on “Object 195”.

lol yeah, you’re right. it is superior because it cannot defeat what does not exist. 😉

They don’t make UAVs or landing ships, so those purchases are logical if they don’t want to waste R&D money. I do suspect that there will be some high quality Russian UAVs within the next 5 years. Tanks?! What kind of non-sense is that?

So, where did this puppie (Pchela 1T UAV, part of the “Stroi-P” UAV system), pictured here are MAKS 2001, originate from?

Sterkh, a BMD-based launcher vehicle for the Pchela

And then there is this (from Air Force News by RIA Novosti, August 5, 2009):

Russia’s Kronshtadt defense company has developed a new- generation heavy unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) for military purposes, a senior company official said on Tuesday.

“The Kronshtadt engineers have developed a heavy Dozor-3 UAV

Clearly, the fact that “The Russian Air Force considers the unmanned aerial vehicles offered by domestic manufacturers to be inferior in quality” implies Russia makes UAVs…

I thought the alcohol was to enable you to get the sleep despite the children? :p

Only in unacceptbly large quantities (unacceptable to the misses, that it)

Speaking of the mistral: the building of the third ship of the class, the Dixmude, begins today! 🙂
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Honda S800 specifications

EDs have killed Abrams crews, what does that tell you about the “safest” western tank? Hmm..

Not a lot.

I’d second the opinion that Challenger 2 is the best protected western tank (but that is admittedly and unashamedly from my position as armchair admiral and nothing more).

The term IED covers a multitude of sins. (Including type, size, donor of is and placement of dangerous bit)

M1s have been used in a lot of operations.

Any tank has its weak points.

Policing actions force tankers to take their vehicles into situations which are sub-optimal.

The fact that two have been lost is a tragedy for the crews and their friends and families but tells us very little about the tank itself. If ALL M1s used in the war on/of terror had been lost to IEDs then that would be an enormous worry.

IEDs have killed Abrams crews, what does that tell you about the “safest” western tank? Hmm..

I thought the Chally 2 or Merkava were the two safest. 😉

And for the record, I said *may* be better.

I thought the alcohol was to enable you to get the sleep despite the children? :p

I thought it was to get your childern to sleep? Did I read that wrong again?

Not really , I doubt if any of T-80,90 tanks can withstand a single direct hit from Western Heavy Tank ( FSAPDS shot ) because of weak armour on Russian Tank ERA not withstanding.

Pretty bold, Austin. K-5 ERA on (T-80U and all T-90 models) is designed to withstand sabots. Try hitting the lower, moving silhouette in a weak point too. 😉 Far far easier said than done.

IEDs have killed Abrams crews, what does that tell you about the “safest” western tank? Hmm..

Western tanks better than the late T-80 and T-90 series? That’s a bold statement to say the least. :rolleyes:

Not really , I doubt if any of T-80,90 tanks can withstand a single direct hit from Western Heavy Tank ( FSAPDS shot ) because of weak armour on Russian Tank ERA not withstanding.