MKII Spitfire Instrument panel details. Help needed

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From my grandfathers notes I am getting the impression that the early Supermarine built spitfires had all metal instrument panels whereas the CBAF spitfires were made from black SRBF material supplied by a local company in Electric Avenue in Aston, Birmingham.

Jason

What Ive got..
Spitfire instrument panels by Herbert Puuka

Differences between the Mk versions of Merlin-powered Spitfires:

Mk I

Early oxygen regulator

hole for landing light

Gunsight and generator switch

One starter button

Fuel pressure gauge or warning lamp with adapter plate

Round temperature gauges

One or two round fuel gauges

Mk II

Early oxygen regulator

hole for landing light

Gunsight and generator switch

One starter button

Fuel pressure gauge or warning lamp with adapter plate

Round temperature gauges

Round fuel gauge

Hole for cardridge starter handle

Mk V

Early oxygen regulator

With or without hole for landing light

Gunsight switch

Two starter buttons

Fuel pressure gauge or lamp

Round temperature gauges

Round fuel gauge

Mk IX

Early or late oxygen regulator

Two starter buttons

Supercharger panel

Fuel pressure warning lamp

Round or rectangle temperature gauges

Round or rectangle fuel gauges

Conclusion:

After some time of research and collecting cockpit pictures I discovered, that the Mk V panels introduced the boost coil switch

and the hole for the cartridge starter handle disappeared. Together with the two-speed supercharger engines appeared the

supercharger panel of the Mk. IX and later Mks. The generator switch disappeared with Mk V, the gunsight switch with

Mk IX. I seem to have no picture of a metal panel so the change to Paxoline panels took place very early.

Instrument info by Herbert Puukka

MK XIV Spitfire Instrument list.

Dunlop air pressure gauge AHO 4040

Tail trimming indicator Supermarine 30034

Master switch 5C/1974

Ignition switch box 5C/548

Tail wheel warning lamp 35136 flange plate 5C/1553 or 5C/1069

Dimmer switches 5C/367

Time of flight clock 6A/579 or 6A/1150 or 6A/1002

Undercarriage indicator Supermarine 30036 5C/1731

Oxygen regulator 6D/513 or 6D/695

Flap control valve 34959

Terminal block 5C/430

Gunsight dimmer switch 5C/763

Gunsight socket 5C/892

Voltmeter 5A/1636

Engine speed indicator 6A/450 or 6A/1191

Dunlop pipe connection AHO 2790

Supercharger switch 10H/11714

Supercharger warning lamp 5C/1553 or 5C/1069

Boost gauge 6A/1427 or 6A/1581

Oil pressure gauge 6A/536

Oil thermometer 6A/1094 or 6A/1340

Radiator thermometer 6A/1100 or 6A/1480

Fuel pressure warning lamp 35136 flange plate 5C/1553 or 5C/1069

Fuel content warning lamp 35136 flange plate 5C/1553 or 5C/1069

Fuel content gauge 6A/1569 727 FG

Starter switch 5C/540 or 5C/898

Starter switch flap cover 36134 or 5C/1267

Compass deviation card holders 6A/387

BFP:

Air Speed indicator 6A/587

Artificial horizon 6A/599 or 6A/1488 or 6A/711

Rate of climb meter 6A/942

Altimeter 6A/577 or 6A/685 or 6A/1203

Direction indicator 6A/602 or 6A/1209

Turning indicator 6A/675

Instrument List Mk1 to MKIX Spitfire

Dunlop air pressure gauge AHO 4040

Tail trimming indicator 30034

Ignition switch box 5C/548

Dimmer switches 5C/367

Time of flight clock 6A/579 or 6A/1150 or 6A/1002

Undercarriage indicator 30036 5C/1731

Oxygen regulator 6D/513 or 6D/695

Switchbox 5C/543

Flap control valve 34959

Gunsight dimmer switch 5C/763

Gunsight socket 5C/892

Voltmeter 5A/1636

Engine speed indicator 6A/450

Supercharger switch 10H/11714

Supercharger warning lamp 5C/1553 or 5C/1069

Boost gauge 6A/789

Fuel pressure gauge 6A/512

Oil pressure gauge 6A/556

Oil thermometer 6A/155

Radiator thermometer 6A/494

Fuel pressure warning lamp 35136 flange plate 5C/1553 or 5C/1069

Fuel content gauge 6A/703

Fuel gauge pushbutton switch 6A/646

Starter switch 5C/540

Starter switch flap cover 32936

Compass deviation card holders 6A/387

BFP:

Air Speed indicator 6A/563 or 6A/587

Artificial horizon 6A/599 or 6A/1488 or 6A/711

Rate of climb meter 6A/723 or 6A/942

Altimeter 6A/577 or 6A/685 or 6A/1203

Direction indicator 6A/602 or 6A/1209

Turning indicator 6A/675

MkII Hurricane instrument list

Engine starter pushbutton 5C/898

Booster coil pushbutton 5C/898

Boost control cut-out

Time of flight clock 6A/581

Oxygen regulator Mk VIII (6D/513)

Undercarriage indicator switchbox 5C/1991

Undercarriage indicator 5C/4845

Compass deviation card holders 6A/387

Instrument flying panel 6A/616

Engine speed indicator 6A/450

Reflector sight switchbox 5C/543

Boost gauge 6A/486 or 6A/699 or 6A/789

Fuel contents gauge selector switch 6A/1113

Fuel contents gauge (28 and 33 gallons) 6A/792 or 6A/812 or 6A/813

Fuel pressure gauge/warning light 6A/512 or 5C/1553 or 5C/1069

Oil thermometer 6A/155

Radiator temperature gauge 6A/494

Oil pressure gauge 6A/311

3-Switchbox 5C/544

Ignition switchbox 5C/548

Magneto switchbox (only MK I) 5C/547

BFP:

Air Speed indicator 6A/583 or 6A/1293

Artificial horizon 6A/599 or 6A/711

Rate of climb meter 6A/723 or 6A/942

Altimeter 6A/577 or 6A/685

Direction indicator 6A/602

Turning indicator 6A/675

List of instruments Spitfire Mk XIV

Dunlop air pressure gauge AHO 4040
Tail trimming indicator 30034
Master switch 5C/1974
Ignition switch box 5C/548
Tail wheel warning lamp 35136 flange plate 5C/1553 or 5C/1069
Dimmer switches 5C/367
Time of flight clock 6A/579 or 6A/1150 or 6A/1002
Undercarriage indicator 30036 5C/1731
Oxygen regulator 6D/513 or 6D/695
Flap control valve 34959
Terminal block 5C/430
Gunsight dimmer switch 5C/763
Gunsight socket 5C/892
Voltmeter 5A/1636
Engine speed indicator 6A/450 or 6A/1191
Dunlop pipe connection AHO 2790
Supercharger switch 10H/11714
Supercharger warning lamp 5C/1553 or 5C/1069
Boost gauge 6A/1427 or 6A/1581
Oil pressure gauge 6A/536
Oil thermometer 6A/1094 or 6A/1340
Radiator thermometer 6A/1100 or 6A/1480
Fuel pressure warning lamp 35136 flange plate 5C/1553 or 5C/1069
Fuel content warning lamp 35136 flange plate 5C/1553 or 5C/1069
Fuel content gauge 6A/1569 727 FG
Starter switch 5C/540 or 5C/898
Starter switch flap cover 36134 or 5C/1267
Compass deviation card holders 6A/387

BFP:
Air Speed indicator 6A/587
Artificial horizon 6A/589 or 6A/1488 or 6A/711
Rate of climb meter 6A/942
Altimeter 6A/577 or 6A/685 or 6A/1203
Direction indicator 6A/602 or 6A/1209
Turning indicator 6A/675

Control Grip info by Herbert Puukka

A.P.1086, Part 11E lists the following “ring control handles” for the Spitfire:
AH2174 for Spitfire IA, IIA, VA
AH8068 for Seafire, Spitfire IB, IIB, VB, VC, F.VI, VII, VIII, FIX, FXII, FXXI

AH2174 Spitfire IA, IIA, VA

AH8068 Seafire, Spitfire IB, IIB, VB, VC, FVI, VII, VIII, FIX, FXII, FXXI

AH2040 with brake lever: Hurricane, Battle, Fulmar, Lysander I and II, Skua, Swordfish and Whirlwind.

AH2242 Harvard I and II

AH8272 Firefly, Firebrand and Sea Hornet

The AH References are Dunlop’s own and they are usually to be found stamped onto the lower portion of the grip. The first listed one is for the classic round, pneumatic gun firing button, the latter is for the selective twin pneumatic switch.

If it is Spitfire it will have a brake lever on the back. No lever or mounting pin then again most probably a Canadian Harvard that had toe brakes.

Hurricane grips should have the pipe work external to the grip, i.e. it doesn’t go through the hole in the top of the control column.

A proper grip for the Harvard I and II should be stamped AH2242, a proper Hurricane, AH2040.

For the record, AH2040 also “fits” the Battle, Fulmar, Lysander I and II, Skua, Swordfish and Whirlwind

Look forward to that.

There is an original MkII/MkV panel with provenance coming up for sale very soon, complete with the original instruments, will try and grab some photos when I see the seller agian

Hi Dave,Absolutely mate,its part of the fun of doing these early birds.
I have sent you a PM.

Cheers Mike

Hi Mike the 4000 rpm indicator are quite rare there is one in the battle panel at Mikes and i have one other they are tge only ones i have found over the years.

Cheers dave

The rate of climb is 6A/723.. 0-4000 ft/min, the date is usually stamped into the face.
The RPM gauge is 6A/450..0-4000 rpm as you say fits most .

Regards Mike

Can any of the 3 variations highlighted so far, be used on a MKII panel ?.
Has anyone got any details of the Engine speed indicator. I’ve got the later RPM for the MKIX onwards. Whats the correct one for MKII. If no one has a photo a stores ref would suffice.
These are obviously parts I’m missing to finish off my panel

It can also say CLIMB
FT/MIN

Cheers Mike

Does the rate of climb indicator say ‘Up, Down’ or is it the type that says ‘Climb, Descend’