More bl**dy tourists!

Mmm – Graf von Ribbentrop – Duke of Cornwall!!:D

It’s so sad really. Had he not got involved with that mad bunch he might have lived long enough to come and live in Cornwall without a VISA courtesy of the EU! Shame really!

I can’t understand people getting upset about this. Before the invention of the bolt gun, and various other so-called humane devices; how exactly were animals slaughtered?

I can understand people getting annoyed that they’re not told, so they don’t have a choice, but how its done (to me at least) is irrelevant. Its meat – so I will eat it.

Regards,

Ric

Rich, Your way off track old buddy, you don’t use a bolt gun to kill a Cornish Pastie any more, elf an safety an all that. 😀

Lincoln.7 :diablo:

Ric,
Sorry, didn’t make that part clear – organically raised animals which have been raised in as natural a way as possible these days taste better. We had a friend who raised Gloucester Old Spots organically and compared to pork on the supermarket shelves was like night and day. Obviously lamb can only be raised in wide open spaces and most beef cattle too. Organic free range chicken knocks the spots off battery poultry as do eggs where the hens have been allowed to roam freely.
I’ve tasted them all and I can tell the difference 🙂

Also part of the organic farming method is that the animals are slaughtered with as little stress as possible – they are not kept penned up next to the abbatoir where any distress of animals being slaughtered is ‘sensed’, thereby heightening the levels of stress which can affect the quality of the meat.
That is what I meant.

Eat it…..what are you, a man or a mouse! :diablo:

Erm…not sure… I will have to ask my missus…

Ric,
Just because it was done another way in the past doesn’t mean it should be done now. I fully respect the right of a person to eat halal or kosher meat. Just as I respect the right of someone to ask for a minted lamb pasty.
If you don’t really care about how the meat gets on your plate as long as it tastes OK, again that is fine. I prefer to consider the welfare of what I eat. It actually tastes better.
What really irks me about this is the underhand way that Waitrose, who make big claims about ensuring the welfare of the animals used in their products, and the other big chains, have done this.

Quite why 97% of the UK population should be given no information about this makes a mockery of the supposed open labelling that stores said they would introduce. They tell us how much salt, sugar, fat is in our food but don’t want to let us know how the animal was slaughtered?

Not caring about animal welfare is why people are still dying from CJD – the farming practices which introduced BSE to UK herds was never really questioned. Feeding animals other infected animals was accepted as the norm. I know it is not quite the same, but that lack of “transparency” in the animal feed industry and the acceptance of old practices led to the BSE/CJD problem.

If UK supermarkets want to sell halal meat, fine. I often see products on shelves with a Kosher label on them. And I’m sure a muslim shopping in Tesco or Waitrose would feel more reassured he isn’t doing something hamam, if these stores actually labelled meat that was halal. His other choice would be to go to a halal butcher.
I’m just asking for a level playing field.

Sorry for the thread creep…

I agree on most of this.. if people want to know how their food is killed, then the information should be provided.

I understand and agree on the need for welfare for animals and all the problems regarding CJD.

However, if you are telling me that one method of death is different to another method of death and you can taste the difference, you and I will have to disagree on that.

There is no such thing as “humane”, regardless of how the deed is done. It is still killing the dumb animal, you just make yourself feel better about eating it.

Regards,

Ric

Surely the fuss is because, insidiously, the retailers are switching to meat slaughtered in a manner demanded by effectively 4% of the population of this country, who seem to determining changes in the way we go about our business out of all proportion to their numbers.

In case of doubt I am referring to the Muslim population of the UK, who are more than welcome here as long as they are prepared to accept our laws, statutes and norms of social interaction.

Sorry for the thread creep…

Thread creep! How my random discovery that no less than the Nazi foreign minister planned to own Cornwall as his retirement home, gets onto the subject to halal meat, is truly amazing.

But it’s all right, s0d all on the telly, knock yourselves out (mods permitting of course;) )

Ric,
Just because it was done another way in the past doesn’t mean it should be done now. I fully respect the right of a person to eat halal or kosher meat. Just as I respect the right of someone to ask for a minted lamb pasty.
If you don’t really care about how the meat gets on your plate as long as it tastes OK, again that is fine. I prefer to consider the welfare of what I eat. It actually tastes better.
What really irks me about this is the underhand way that Waitrose, who make big claims about ensuring the welfare of the animals used in their products, and the other big chains, have done this.

Quite why 97% of the UK population should be given no information about this makes a mockery of the supposed open labelling that stores said they would introduce. They tell us how much salt, sugar, fat is in our food but don’t want to let us know how the animal was slaughtered?

Not caring about animal welfare is why people are still dying from CJD – the farming practices which introduced BSE to UK herds was never really questioned. Feeding animals other infected animals was accepted as the norm. I know it is not quite the same, but that lack of “transparency” in the animal feed industry and the acceptance of old practices led to the BSE/CJD problem.

If UK supermarkets want to sell halal meat, fine. I often see products on shelves with a Kosher label on them. And I’m sure a muslim shopping in Tesco or Waitrose would feel more reassured he isn’t doing something hamam, if these stores actually labelled meat that was halal. His other choice would be to go to a halal butcher.
I’m just asking for a level playing field.

Sorry for the thread creep…

Mind you, we wouldn’t have the problem of halal lamb being secretly sold to the UK buyer as organic Duchy Originals if he had…..

Guess it’s a pork only meat diet from now on…….:mad:

I can’t understand people getting upset about this. Before the invention of the bolt gun, and various other so-called humane devices; how exactly were animals slaughtered?

I can understand people getting annoyed that they’re not told, so they don’t have a choice, but how its done (to me at least) is irrelevant. Its meat – so I will eat it.

Regards,

Ric

Or just give the bl***dy multiple retailers a miss and find a good independent butcher. I haven’t bought supermarket meat for about 8 years now…..:)

Most of the lamb and beef we’ve eaten since Xmas came from a farmer in the Lakes – we got a huge hamper of meat as a present from the in-laws.

I have found a place in North Wales that does organic lamb so could well be supporting the farmer directly from now on – none of that halal crap for me.
😡

Poliocretes – a classic – I was thinking about it!
J Boyle – touche 😀

Wasn’t he a member of the Nazi Pasty?……..

……I’ll get me coat:p

It’ not often that one feels that von Ribbentrop should have succeded, but in this case it would have been great, an end to the tourists problem I fancy!

I thought he’s from Somerset

Funny no one mentioned this.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlmGknvr_Pg

“A freind (sic) offers free-range beef in Kent, does very well.”

Sorry for the tpyo (sic). :eek::D

“A freind (sic) offers free-range beef in Kent, does very well.”

Yes, we are lucky here, J Boyle, a good choice of very good butchers within a few miles and free range meat easily available.

Ah, Kev! That IS a subtle point.;)

But only since we won the “war”…………..;)

Shouldn’t that be “But only since we ‘won’ the war…………”

Regards,

kev35

Only yesterday in deepest Cornwall, I entered a bakery and asked (in my Kentish accent);

“Do you do those lamb minted pa(r)sties, please?”

all the chattering from the customers ceased in an instance, the baker just stared back at me, along with another three sets of eyes.

The silence continued for several seconds.

I felt secure in the knowledge there was a counter between me and the guy with the apron holding an 8 inch knife. I briefly glanced at the door behind checking my escape route and noticed a piece of tumbleweed making its way down the high street.

I felt a bead of sweat run down the side of my head, the old biddy next to me was rummaging through her oversized hand bag for something.

I knew there was a line in the sand and I had stepped over it.

“What?” he said

“Er……..Cornish pasty please!”

Baz

…and blooming lovely it was, too:D