August 6, 2005 at 2:32 pm
Hi,
these pictures were taken by my great-grandfather Ernst E. Fastenrath during 1916. Originally they were taken on glass, but I had them printed on paper some years before and finally scanned them this morning. But first some notes about my great-grandfather:
Because of his experience after having constructed and briefly flown his own areoplane in 1913, he was posted as an aircraft-mechanic to the Kampfgeschwader 4 at Le Chatelet. He stayed with that unit , which moved in that time to an unknown airfield at the Champagne and later to Vendune until summer of 1918.
At the KG4 he became crew-chief of a two-seater fighter, which was mainly flown by the crew Lt. Schröder (pilot) / Lt. (Lothar) von Richthofen (observer/gunner) until both volunteered to single-seat fighters. He also was responsible for resurrecting pranged airplanes (called “Brüche”), due to his experience with his own “Flugapparat” three years before. However, his “own” pilot Schröder always took good care of his plane and my great-grandfather seldomly had to carry out larger repairs on the fighter.
Early 1917 the unit became a Bombergeschwader converting to A.E.G.-planes (A.E.G. today still exists and is building goods like washings-machines). Someday during the fall of 1917 the field was attacked by allied fighters and he had to jump into a trench, resulting in a complicated fracture. After recovering, he left service in July 1918, later regretting not having stayed with his comerades until the end of the war soon after.
In the early 1930s he started building gliders in the cellar of his factory with a group of local glider-pilots until they were beeing shut down by the nazis, starting gliding again after WW2, using an ex-RAF Auster AOP. In 1958 he recieved the “Diplom Otto Lilienthal” for his earnings (?) over the years. Following his death in the 1960s the Fliegergruppe Plettenberg-Herscheid carries out a commemorative fly-in every two years until today.
Well, back to the pictures.
The first one shows my great-grandfather (left) and his assistant (second mechanic) August Speichert. Both kept contact until their death. The plane in the backgrund is thought to be a D.F.W. C.V. The last survivor of this type is in Krakow(?), Poland.
The second one seems to have been taken at the unkown airfield at the Champagne, because he mentioned living and working in tents. I think the planes in this picture are Rumpler C.Is so it could be taken in 1916. The “23” on the fuselage identifies the Squadron (Kasta 23), the roman letter the individual aircraft.
The third picture shows an mechanic working on the cylinder heads of an engine. The original photo was taken on a 6×4 cm piece of glass, so I can´t read the name on the plate in the foreground. Maybe it´s “Mercedes-” (engine-manufacturer) or “Albatross-Werke” (airplane-manufacturer).
Im still puzzling about that …
The next one could be taken early at Le Chatelet. He mentions large “Eisenhallen” (iron-hangars?) at Le Chatelet, so maybe the photo was taken there.
The last one – well, it´s obviousely an aerial view of an unidentified, intact, but deserted village. I do not know whether the photo was taken by him, or how he took possession of it. It is also taken on a different format of glass, he used to work with.
There must have been more photos (taking pictures was his dearest hobby from growing up until his death), but I think these were finally lost, when his widow moved out of their house in the 1970. 🙁
However, I hope you enjoy the ones surviving.
By: JDK - 9th August 2005 at 08:58
Here‘s a link to some stuff on W.W.I colour I posted recently, including some stuff on the process of how it was done – But I think on glass.
By: Moggy C - 9th August 2005 at 08:36
Thanks for the link back to that thread.
Those notebooks are priceless 🙂
Moggy
By: GASML - 8th August 2005 at 16:52
Does anyone know what alternatives to glass negatives there would have been before 1918? (If any?)
Cellulose film and paper-backed film were just becoming available by 1918 (the Box Brownie etc), but were still quite poor quality compared with glass plates.
I guess a pencil and paper would have really been the only viable alternative, which is why so many manuals, books and magazines of the era rely on drawings.
And if you were a student, you’d have to do it yourself! See http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=46352
By: Papa Lima - 8th August 2005 at 16:48
LVG C.VI
A very colourful LVG C.VI, which I believe had the same engine as the C.V, from the same Danish book.
By: Papa Lima - 8th August 2005 at 16:37
DFW C.V
Thanks, Starfire, here’s a 3-view from Jane’s Fighting Aircraft of WWI of the DFW C.V
By: ...starfire - 8th August 2005 at 16:20
Ok,
first row, left to right:
D.F.W. C.V
Rumpler C.I or C.III
L.V.G C.V
By: Andy in Beds - 8th August 2005 at 16:09
Hi,
I´ve posted the pictures also at another forum, there they suggest the plane in pic no.3 is a L.V.G. C.V.
Do you mean the picture of the mechanic changing the cylinder?
I’ve been wondering about that one.
Cheers
Andy.
PS Great pictures by the way.
By: ...starfire - 8th August 2005 at 16:04
Hi,
I´ve posted the pictures also at another forum, there they suggest the plane in pic no.3 is a L.V.G. C.V.
By: Chris B - 8th August 2005 at 15:39
Rumpler C1 in pic 2
Afternoon all
Having just spent an pleasant half hour leafing through my Putnam on German Aircraft of the First World War, I agree that its certainly a Rumpler C1.
Chris
By: Papa Lima - 8th August 2005 at 12:27
Rumpler C.1
From “Alverdens Fly i Farver Krigsfly 1914-1918” (Danish version of a John W. Wood book)
By: JDK - 8th August 2005 at 12:20
Does anyone know what alternatives to glass negatives there would have been before 1918? (If any?)
By: GASML - 8th August 2005 at 12:10
I’ll second that. WW1 is definitely under represented here.
Thanks for digging these out, more would be appreciated.
Moggy
Totally agree. This for me is what makes this forum one of the best
By: Moggy C - 7th August 2005 at 23:38
Fantastic pics, great to see some WW1 stuff for a change keep em coming
I’ll second that. WW1 is definitely under represented here.
Thanks for digging these out, more would be appreciated.
Moggy
By: Dumbspar - 7th August 2005 at 17:18
Excellent stuff-nice to see some WW1 piccies.
By: The Blue Max - 7th August 2005 at 00:17
Fantastic pics, great to see some WW1 stuff for a change keep em coming
By: Kilvy - 6th August 2005 at 20:47
A real piece of history, ……what this forum is all about.
Many thanks for posting.
cheers
Kilvy 🙂
By: Papa Lima - 6th August 2005 at 19:30
Could the nearest aircraft in the second picture (with the tents) be a Rumpler C.1 two-seater? Somehow the fin looks wrong for an AEG.
By: taylorman - 6th August 2005 at 19:21
superb pics
By: ...starfire - 6th August 2005 at 19:17
OK, after having spent some hours searching the web, I have to correct myself:
The Kampfstaffel 23 (hence the 23 on the fuselages) was renamed Bomberstaffel 23 when the Kampfgeschwader 4 became the Bombengeschwader 7, converting to twin-engined A.E.G.s.
So the planes depicted in photo 2 are definitley NOT A.E.G.s, but I think they could be a Rumpler C-Model.
The name of the airfield is actually Le Chatelet.
Hmmmmm, why can´t I see the thumbnails any more?
By: planejunky - 6th August 2005 at 17:39
Wow they are fascinating photo’s, thanks for posting! I really should find out more about my great great uncle who was an RFC pilot, sadly losing his life. If you have more, please do post them as there are many here who appreciate such things!