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More pieces of missing Spitfire?

Hi

Re my earlier post reference the crash of Spitfire BS491 I have been out with my detetor again and come across some more pieces of metal that may come from an aircraft. Can you tell me any more about them?

The first is a small piece of aluminium stamped 30037/43

The second is a fragment of some sort of data plate. There are a number of rectangles printed in black on it and and I can make out the word “AERIAL” outlined in black print at the top of the plate. The folowing numbers/letters are stamped into it.

B LTD/CBAF/15765

ALI 46

MOD 195

Thanks in advance,

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By: paulmcmillan - 3rd October 2005 at 17:09

Ross

Thanks I could not see the wood from the trees!

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By: Ross_McNeill - 3rd October 2005 at 16:27

Sorry Paul,

I cannot resist it any longer. 🙂

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=48833

My post confirming the serial is the second one, just four above your post on the thread.

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By: paulmcmillan - 3rd October 2005 at 15:57

Ross can you confirm the serial of the Spitire that FLT/LT Johnson was flying as BS491?. I do not know if the PRU was still under Coastal Command control on this date, but I have no doubt you have looked at this particular incident!

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By: Dave T - 3rd October 2005 at 15:26

Which Half ????? 😉

Ian,

I think the front half comes first, with the back half in close pursuit (usually) :diablo: :diablo:

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By: Ross_McNeill - 3rd October 2005 at 15:05

[QUOTE=paulmcmillan]Can’t help much on BS491 (I have it crash landing at Sumburgh on the same day) – Though this could be confusion with AA878

However the Pilot who crashed and killed in a Spitfire on this date was a Flt/Lt not PO..

Just to prevent further confusion, from the other thread..

F/L R P Johnson, 67059, +

Op: PR, RAF North Front, Time up 09:45 hrs

Took for a flight from Gibraltar. Plotted over Plymouth at 20,000 feet, 14:00 hrs. At 14:15 hrs the Spitfire dived into ground at Wraxall Somerset. F/L Johnson was thought to have baled out due to bad visibility and radio failure but struck the aircraft and failed to open his parachute. The body of the pilot was found over one mile from the crash scene and now rests in St.Mary Churchyard, Addington, Surrey.

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By: Jon Hill - 3rd October 2005 at 15:05

Fantastic, a picture of it what were the chances of that!

The aircraft is supposed to be a long range (Flying Bowser) type does the picture confirm this?

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By: paulmcmillan - 3rd October 2005 at 14:14

However I did find this..
http://www.ww2color.com/nennius/webapps/slides/slides.php?action=update&primary_key=01442

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By: paulmcmillan - 3rd October 2005 at 14:05

Can’t help much on BS491 (I have it crash landing at Sumburgh on the same day) – Though this could be confusion with AA878

However the Pilot who crashed and killed in a Spitfire on this date was a Flt/Lt not PO..

Paul

Name: JOHNSON, ROY PERCIVAL
Initials: R P
Nationality: United Kingdom
Rank: Flight Lieutenant (Pilot)
Regiment: Royal Air Force Volunteer Reserve
Unit Text: 541 Sqdn.
Age: 26
Date of Death: 16/12/1943
Service No: 67059
Additional information: Son of Richard and Ellen Elizabeth Johnson; husband of Elfreda Johnson, of Addington Village.
Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference: North of Tower.
Cemetery: ADDINGTON (ST. MARY) CHURCHYARD, Surrey

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By: EN830 - 3rd October 2005 at 13:33

At Legends soon then ? :diablo:

Which Half ????? 😉

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By: Dave T - 3rd October 2005 at 13:31

There’s only half a data plate, so rightfully only one half of a rebuild would be authentic. The other half would be a replica 🙂

At Legends soon then ? :diablo:

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By: Ross_McNeill - 3rd October 2005 at 13:23

Jon and Ian,

The Movement Card held at the RAF Museum is Form 78.

30037 is the drawing reference for MkI (but common to other Mks) of the Engine Mounting bulkhead area.

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By: EN830 - 3rd October 2005 at 13:22

There’s only half a data plate, so rightfully only one half of a rebuild would be authentic. The other half would be a replica 🙂

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By: AndyG - 3rd October 2005 at 13:19

Will this be the basis of an airworthy restoration?

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By: EN830 - 3rd October 2005 at 13:13

Thanks Bruce

Here are the pics, you are right it does say “SERIAL”. Is there a list to indicate where BS491 was manufactured?

The Movements Card (I think it’s the RAF Form 78 Movement Card, but may be wrong) ordinarily quotes the relative production order batch number.

They’re held at the RAF Museum. Write to DORiS at the RAF Museum, Hendon for photocopies.

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By: Bruce - 3rd October 2005 at 13:12

Judging by the plate, it is likely ot be Castle Bromwich, however, I will wait for Mark12 to cast his eye over the pics, as he is considerably more expert than I as regards data plates!

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By: Jon Hill - 3rd October 2005 at 12:56

Thanks Bruce

Here are the pics, you are right it does say “SERIAL”. Is there a list to indicate where BS491 was manufactured?

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By: Bruce - 3rd October 2005 at 12:26

Oh, and your ‘AERIAL’, is almost certainly ‘SERIAL’, and will be one of the constructors plates. CBAF shows that it was built at Castle Bromwich Aircraft Factory.

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By: Bruce - 3rd October 2005 at 12:24

All are likely to be spitfire parts. The 300 number is a giveaway.

Post some pics, and I’ll see if I can identify any of them

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