Moslems 'boycott' Glasgow Airport

A couple of my best mates are of asian origin, (so no I am not anti Asian muslin etc)
but it’s the old saying, not every muslim is a terrorist but every terrorist is a muslim, (or some bent islamic extremist faith), and this is a shame because people are going to look at Asians in the UK with that ere of suspision, I do agree with the above comment that the muslim communities could do a little more to expell the extremist Jihadis amongst them, and yes alot of muslims were dancing around when 9/11 happened, we play cricket against a pakistani side after 9/11 and the way they were acting was shocking, and I heard a comment about Bin-Laden which was “one man’s enemy is another man’s hero”, I won’t tell you what I said 🙂

Regarding searches when the wife & I were on our way back from Australia in 2002 we went through security at Sydney and they wanted to inspect our shoes, and then they wanted to ruffle through our suitcase, then I thought, well there’s alot of dirty underwear in there, if they want to sift through it they can carry on

Well said sir. Ultimately its upto the Muslims to find & finger the bad apples among them. But despite the occasional help in a bomb plot (like this one), the vast majority of them continue to talk of crimes & war against Islam, hence the “reaction” (in my personal experience)- and these the moderate ones. All in all, a worrisome thing & they are just exacerbating the issue.

Every time I’ve been to the US for the past couple of years (except for my last two trips), when I’ve checked in and they’ve entered my name into their computer, they’ve had to go off and “check” something taking my passport and all with them. This has involved me standing around at the checkin desk for quite a time, often being stared at by other passengers. First time it happened, I was concerned and worried because I didn’t know what was happening. After that first time it became less and less of an issue – I got to expect it, I’ve got nothing to hide and I knew from past experience that the outcome wouldn’t be an issue and that my travel would not be a problem. I now gather a name similar to mine was “marked” post 9/11. Earlier this year, I was stopped at customs going into the USA and during the chat with the officer, he mentioned that I had a “marked” name and that he could sort that out for me in particular. So he tapped away at his computer. Ever since then, I’ve not had the extra “check” prior to checkin. Anyhow, the reason I point this out is because I have been singled out for special attention, and I’m not concerned about it because it actually makes things safer.

So, what I actually believe is that its about time we got into proper profiling based on behaviorial, characteristic and yes even ethnic traits. If developing profiles for high risk travellers prove that muslims and responsible for the majority of terrorist attacks, then muslims need to expect to be checked more dilligently and more regularly. Its not victimisation, its a risk assessment based on a person conforming to a certain profile. As long as its done on a justified rather than an emotional basis, then tough on those subjected to it, but that’s how it should be so STFU and get on with it. Sorry, but the time for PC is over, its time to do what is proven to best secure our air travel network in the most effective and efficient manner.

Andy

A couple of my best mates are of asian origin, (so no I am not anti Asian muslin etc)
but it’s the old saying, not every muslim is a terrorist but every terrorist is a muslim, (or some bent islamic extremist faith), and this is a shame because people are going to look at Asians in the UK with that ere of suspision, I do agree with the above comment that the muslim communities could do a little more to expell the extremist Jihadis amongst them, and yes alot of muslims were dancing around when 9/11 happened, we play cricket against a pakistani side after 9/11 and the way they were acting was shocking, and I heard a comment about Bin-Laden which was “one man’s enemy is another man’s hero”, I won’t tell you what I said 🙂

Regarding searches when the wife & I were on our way back from Australia in 2002 we went through security at Sydney and they wanted to inspect our shoes, and then they wanted to ruffle through our suitcase, then I thought, well there’s alot of dirty underwear in there, if they want to sift through it they can carry on

I don’t mind to be searched before boarding an aircraft. But I must say that in one of our neighbouring country, security check is a joke. When the alarm trigger, they ask to hand over your wallet, wristwatch, glasses and remove your belt. When the alarm triggered again, they let you thru.

Once I forgot to change shoes before flying home. The metal sole of the safety shoes triggered the alarm. I removed the shoes, had them X-rayed and boarded the plane.

Following week, I boarded the same flight. Before passing the detector, the Security man told his colleague to let me thru stating that I am the guy with metal shoes.

Willy

Unfortunatly the Moslem community will be targeted by airport security after 9/11 7/7 etc. The press doesnt help with some of its reporting. pinpointing that a certain person follows this or that religion.

I think that 99.9% of the uk’s muslim population do not condone the actions of the few. But i still think it’s time for less talk and more action from there communities. Banish the Mullah’s and Immans that preach the Death to the west stuff.

As for airport security checks, everytime i step through a metal detector, i set the bloody thing off, sometimes the staff that search you are friendly and will talk to you in a pleasant manner, unfortunatly there are others who are built like geoff capes, and when they have finished you feel like you have knocked over by a freight train.

The only time i was truly shocked by a security search was at Geneva airport, set the alarm off, escorted to room and made to take shoes, belt buckle, wrist watch wallet to go through scanner..then asked to remove shirt and jeans to leave me standing there in nothing more than a t-shirt and a pair of jockeys…And this was pre 9/11 by about 3 years.

Indeed.

It is unforatunate that yet again, the Moslem community is put under the media microscope due to the actions of a few.

Can the rest of the Moslem community really expect not to be “looked” at with a little suspicion? Its unfortunate, but thats the real world.

An very interesting story given today’s events.

I was born in Ireland of Irish parents although I now live in Britain and have a British passport. I went over to Dublin some years back with my son who was serving in the British Army as an infantryman (although he was in civvies) for my mother’s funeral. We were pulled over by the metropolitan police who manned a desk at the pier entrance to the Irish flights at terminal one and asked questions about the purpose of our trip. We were allowed to proceed immediately my son showed his army ID. I have to say I felt somewhat resentful but tempered that with the knowledge that my fellow countrymen at the time were running around murdering people and blowing up parts of the United Kingdom so the caution of the security services was understandable.I also felt somewhat bemused when the Police of a particular force were ordered to wear green ribbons in solidarity with the Muslim community after 7/7 but no force instructed its members to wear Shamrocks after Canary Wharf, Omagh etc etc.

There hasnt been a single occasion that I have travelled international and not been selected to step aside and been searched!! Even on US domestic flights I’ve been searched plenty of time which really doesnt bother me as long as we are safe and no more attacks.

Glasgow businessman Mohammed ashraf said it was “undignified” to be stopped and questioned.

“After being through all the checks that normal people go through, at the last moment you are stopped again and asked questions as everybody else passes you by,” he said.

Yes it is undignified, but it happens. It’s happened to me, a regular piece of white trailor trash going through US airports, it’s happened to me in Dublin, it happens all over the place. I see no need to feel victimised, it’s just the way airport security works right now.

Unfortunately for the complainers, the biggest ever act of aviation terrorism was carried out by moslem extremists, and again (unfortunately) a section of our society, rightly or wrongly is going to attract the suspicion of other sections of society as a result. To quote my late great grandmother “Sh*t happens!”

And what exactly does Mr Ashraf imply when he talks about “normal people” ?

I am all in favour of high levels of security like this. Maybe if Muslims stopped to think that the Madrid bombing, the Bali bombing, 9/11 and 7/7 were all carried out in the name of their religion, that many regard such terrorists as heroes and martyrs and many think suicide bombing is justified, then they can hardly be surprised that ordinary people are just a little bit suspicious when they see them boarding aircraft.

Anyway, if they are innocent then what have they to worry about with security checks?

I think any type of search at an airport is a humiliating experience, but if such thorough and agressive checks were not carried out, it would concern me.

When I flew to Hong Kong, an employee of Virgin Atlantic approached me when I was at the front of the queue and asked to search my suitcase. I felt slightly embarrassed when I had to walk back through the queuing system, dodging in and out of passengers with my suitcase in tow. I heaved the case onto a table, which offered limited privacy and unpacked my case at the request of this lady. She then unpacked and unfolded everything and requested my booking confirmation, so she could write down the details of a passenger she had just checked.

It proved a total waste of time though. She wrote down my name and then the flight number… VS300 to Delhi, whereas I was on VS200 to Hong Kong!

Like I say, it wasn’t a very pleasant experience and I went a bit red when I was chosen out of at least a dozen or so other passengers. Once the check was complete, she helped me to re-pack my bag, making small-talk as she done so, asking questions about my trip and where I was from etc.

But regardless of how annoying and inconvenient this check was, it certainly will not deter me from using London Heathrow or Virgin Atlantic in the future.

When I flew to the Bahamas from EDI with the then new Continental service to EWR, I was search at check in then at boarding.

US flights from EDI (at least) have another company doing security checks before boarding in that instance.

But for this:

“90% of occasions when we pass through they say ‘step aside’ and she gets the full search.”

Sounds like nonsense. Either they are being asked to step aside because they have metal on them under their religious dress i.e. a belt, but they are just taking this as a sign of un-equal treatment, OR by some large coincidence they have been picked more often for a random search. Which is pretty unlikely.

Sounds as though they are using the thorough searching techniques of the airport staff as a means of discriminative search.

It’s the same old story though. A lot of the time the people that are subject to a search and then moan about it, are the same people that would complain if something did happen mid-air and security hadn’t caught an object on the ground. Lose-lose situation :confused:

But it’s a vicious circle, isn’t it? Certainly, there are some cases where Muslims choose not to integrate into the society – often due to the perception that the typical Briton sees Muslims as a threat (9/11, 7/7 etc.)

However these people are not going to want to integrate if comments like the one above are hurled around – it will only re-inforce their views. We should be welcoming them in the same way many Muslims are trying to dispell the western myths of Islam.

Whether the people being searched at Glasgow Airport are justified in claiming it’s due to their faith/appearance I could not say.

And let’s be careful not to brand 1.5 million people with the same brush, eh – it’s how the problem has arisen in the first place.

I am a very tolerant person, and have very diverse friends due to the nature of my work.
I’m the last person to be “flinging” such comments around.

It just boils my blood when “minorities” try and play this PC crap and make everything that everyone else has accepted as something against them. Be it the Moslems, Chinese, English, American, Sudanese or whatever!

But sureley when they are complaining about being checked so throughly it raises people’s suspicions and makes them more cynical, which makes things worse. In the climate we have now, security needs to be as tight as possible, one mistake could be a fatal one. With this tighter security we should all feel better knowing its being taken seriously and that theres something being done to prevent such horrid events occuring again.

My comments were in reply to the previous posting – not in direct relation to the cases at Glasgow Airport.

Regards Phil 🙂

But sureley when they are complaining about being checked so throughly it raises people’s suspicions and makes them more cynical, which makes things worse. In the climate we have now, security needs to be as tight as possible, one mistake could be a fatal one. With this tighter security we should all feel better knowing its being taken seriously and that theres something being done to prevent such horrid events occuring again.

I’m getting sick and tired of Moslems taking everything as anti them.
I think they are starting to become the very people they think everyone else are. Intolerant.

But it’s a vicious circle, isn’t it? Certainly, there are some cases where Muslims choose not to integrate into the society – often due to the perception that the typical Briton sees Muslims as a threat (9/11, 7/7 etc.)

However these people are not going to want to integrate if comments like the one above are hurled around – it will only re-inforce their views. We should be welcoming them in the same way many Muslims are trying to dispell the western myths of Islam.

Whether the people being searched at Glasgow Airport are justified in claiming it’s due to their faith/appearance I could not say.

And let’s be careful not to brand 1.5 million people with the same brush, eh – it’s how the problem has arisen in the first place.

I was frisked so thoroughly at Green Bay airport Wisconsin a couple of years ago that the metal detector picked up the stainless steel wire holding my ribcage together! I then had to explain all the gory details of my heart bypass operation.
Security is totally necessary, as long as it’s carried out with common sense.

When I flew to the Bahamas from EDI with the then new Continental service to EWR, I was search at check in then at boarding. At no point would I have called it an anti scotsman thing.
I was glad the security services were thourough.

I’m getting sick and tired of Moslems taking everything as anti them.

I think they are starting to become the very people they think everyone else are. Intolerant.

And what would they prefer? … to be caught uo in a terrorist attack?

Nobody enjoys being searched but you accept it because it’s vital for the safety of everybody.

I’m glad Glasgow Airport are taking security so seriosuly.