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  • sferrin

Most "out there" AAM you've ever heard of that did NOT go into service.

By “out there” I mean it was an ambitious program that died for one reason or another or just odd. Slapping an IR seeker on an AIM-7P doesn’t qualify as “out there”. And I guess it doesn’t HAVE to have been a program that died (Iranian Tomcats carrying Hawk SAMs certainly qualifies as “out there”)

Two that come to mind are:

ASALM Mach 5.5 speed, 300 mile range, ramjet powered and 200kt warhead.

Sky Scorcher: Don’t know much other than it was to have a 2 Mt warhead (hence the name) and be carried in pairs by F-106s.

(And nobody gives a **** who’s is better than who’s. Lets just hear about some weird ideas :diablo: )

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By: JAZZ - 9th July 2005 at 23:34

LR-AAMs

Some of the more interesting LR-AAM’s

The VFDR is a current project that could inform the next generation of US AAMs. Northrop was a contender in the AMRAAM programme and lost out to Hughes. Has anyone any pictures of the Northrop proposal?

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By: CV32 - 25th June 2005 at 13:27

Have Dash.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/have-dash.html

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By: Tony Williams - 22nd June 2005 at 08:15

the Sparrow II of the late 1950s was IMO a real “out there” project for its time. it was to incorporate an active radar seeker!! in other words, give AMRAAM capabilities (fire-and-forget BVR) when AMRAAM itself was 35 years away. obviously it was a very ambitious program and, well, failed because it was simply impossible for the tech of the time.

The British Red Dean was also an active-radar AAM developed in the 1950s, but it was a huge beast. One still survives at the Cosford museum IIRC.

See: http://www.skomer.u-net.com/projects/reddean.htm for pics and a brief history.

Tony Williams: Military gun and ammunition website and discussion forum

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By: Charlie Echo - 20th June 2005 at 02:35

Undoubtly, the Novator KS-172, the extremely long-legged ruskie.

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By: Andreas Parsch - 15th June 2005 at 10:05

I think there was a US misile called Brazo?? or somethink like that. Basically an air – air version of the Shrike or HARM. It was designed to home in on big airborne radars such as the one on the Mig 25.

–> Brazo .

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By: BuffPuff - 15th June 2005 at 09:58

I think there was a US misile called Brazo?? or somethink like that. Basically an air – air version of the Shrike or HARM. It was designed to home in on big airborne radars such as the one on the Mig 25.

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By: Andreas Parsch - 14th June 2005 at 21:40

Sky Scorcher: Don’t know much other than it was to have a 2 Mt warhead (hence the name) and be carried in pairs by F-106s.

From Chuck Hansen’s “Swords of Armageddon”:

[color=blue] Among proposals for defensive air-to-air missiles at this time [1956] was the ConVAir SKY SCORCHER, a 3,400 lb., 18-foot long, 18-inch diameter weapon with a two megaton warhead. The SKY SCORCHER was intended for long-range, high-altitude use against mass supersonic bomber raids. The Mach 1 missile could travel 125 nautical miles in 200 seconds when launched from an aircraft flying at Mach 2 at 55,000 feet.

A “ready force” of 80 “Advanced” F-106 airplanes, an enlarged F-106A with new airfoils and electronics, would theoretically be able to deliver 14 two-megaton bursts against a Mach 2 raid, 400 nautical miles from a defended perimeter.

The name SKY SCORCHER was quite appropriate: not only would a two-megaton airburst have “scorched the sky,” the radiation, blast, thermal, and optical effects of such an explosion would have destroyed or blinded everything and anyone around its air zero point for a distance of several miles, including objects and people on the ground. The practicality of such a powerful and expensive warhead was rather dubious against anything less than a simultaneous attack by an entire air force.

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The quoted source is “ConVAir Report ZO-P-027, 15 August 1956.”

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By: turboshaft - 12th June 2005 at 18:27

IIRC, there was an AAM variant of SRAM considered at one stage.

Sferrin – IIRC also, the original ASALM specs were closer to M4.

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By: wd1 - 12th June 2005 at 12:21

the Sparrow II of the late 1950s was IMO a real “out there” project for its time. it was to incorporate an active radar seeker!! in other words, give AMRAAM capabilities (fire-and-forget BVR) when AMRAAM itself was 35 years away. obviously it was a very ambitious program and, well, failed because it was simply impossible for the tech of the time.

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By: Arthur - 12th June 2005 at 09:11

KS-172.

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By: Indian1973 - 12th June 2005 at 04:45

this sky scorcher thing sounds interesting. wouldnt mind having a couple in the pocket.

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By: sferrin - 11th June 2005 at 22:18

Hell. How could I forget Pye Wacket?

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/pyewacket.html

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