Mother of 10 kids.

Deeno

T & C’s on the flight deck have been eroded primarily by p2f.

Just as a last line, one of my son’s friends in Oz is an expat Brit. He left ‘because the country was becoming full of foreigners’. So….he became a foreigner in someone elses country, the beauty of which is totally lost on him…:)

I remember seeing Warren Mitchell do a stage show or stand up in character as Alf Garnett and he did a skit on Alf emmigrating to Australia and making a comment at the airport about the w**s even taking over Australia when he saw some Aboriginals !:D

Jim, most of them are ex convicts (usually drug trade) or illegals who run a good chance of absconding. http://www.justice.gov.uk/contacts/prison-finder/morton-hall.

I’ve no idea why some fancy coming here instead of Germany/France. Maybe it’s historical, the Poles especially seem to not want to go to Germany. I do know that some are starting to return home as the recession bites here.

I lived in Germany some years ago and even then they had problems with the ‘Gastarbeiters’, mostly Greeks and Turks, even to the point of paying them to return to their country of origin; reasoning that it was cheaper to send them home with some cash than it was to pay them unenployment benefit. The problem (if you see it as a problem) being that it is EU law now to allow free movement of labour amongst the EU nations, which on the face of it is a good thing; whereas the Gastarbeiter system was a bilateral agreement between Germany and the seperate countries involved.

Don’t forget also that there are about 1 million Brits living and working abroad in Europe, cf around 1.6 million EU nationals living and working in UK, it’s not all a one way street.

As far as Oz goes, I’m certainly not aware of any more stringent entrance tests for persons ‘of colour’, I would imagine that to be highly illegal. They are quite sensitive now about their past treatment of Aboriginals and as far as I’m aware if you can do the job they couldn’t care less whether you are Black or Sky Blue. I find (surprisingly, as I was as guilty of stereotyping them as anyone else before I actually visited the place) Oz to be far more culturally integrated than the UK. Of course there are areas where if you went to the right bars and pubs where you will find the same arguments against ‘foreigners’ that you find here, but if you go anywhere in the world you will find the same thing.

Speaking personally, I find that the oft bandied phrase ‘Multicultural Britain’ is far off the mark. We do have many cultures but sadly they aren’t multi, more seperate entities making a token effort to co exist. I know many decent people of a certain age who continue to surprise me with their views on immigration, this country was founded on invasion and immigration, without it we wouldn’t be the nation we are now. There’s a lot of fear mongering going on and has been for years about immigration/emigration when in my opinion it’s what makes this and many other countries what they are.

Just as a last line, one of my son’s friends in Oz is an expat Brit. He left ‘because the country was becoming full of foreigners’. So….he became a foreigner in someone elses country, the beauty of which is totally lost on him…:)

Al. Yes, I have heard of that, however, they still have a criteria, whereby any one of any colour has to pass stringent tests.Many of which applicants cannot meet, even today.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

BSG-75.

Do you, and others on the forum, think we should go the Australian way, it’s very tough to get in there, as there rules and regs are much tighter than ours.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Even Australia has relaxed its immigration laws – until around 1973 they had what was known as the ‘White Australia Policy’, which barred anyone with signs of ‘colour’…

Dave Wilson.
Dave, your daughter works in the B.C. and states they send loads back from whence they came.
Has she ever told you, why they want to get here, and go to such lengths to get into the U.K. ?.before they get sent home.?.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

Surely, speaking English is not the sole reason, One perhaps, but many cannot speak English.Perchance that may be a reason why those that are caught is because they cannot talk their way out of it.Just a thought.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

perhaps you may know if Germany and France, hand out to their respective immigrants, the same as we do?. If they do, then why do they even try and get into the U.K. even by walking through the Channel Tunnel?.I don’t know the answer myself, but would be interested to know.
Thanks.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I would guess that is our own fault. The English language as far more widespread than French or German, so it’s likely many come here for that reason.

Without getting too deep into this obviously emotive issue I can say that when illegals are picked up they are sent back if they can’t put up a good case for being here, such as danger of death on return, that sort of thing. My daughter works for the UK Border Agency and they send plane loads back each week to various places around the world. Mind you, there’s nothing to stop them turning around and making their way back here once they are sent home.

I can also personally vouch for the fact that Germany, and hear second hand but without verification that France also has a far worse problem than we do, so it’s not a case Jim of them passing through all the other countries to get here because we are a soft touch.

Dave. I agree with a lot of what you say, however, perhaps you may know if Germany and France, hand out to their respective immigrants, the same as we do?. If they do, then why do they even try and get into the U.K. even by walking through the Channel Tunnel?.I don’t know the answer myself, but would be interested to know.
Thanks.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

This morning, I called into Tesco

Was there no convenient Waitrose?

The staff there are also shareholders in the business and invariably several steps better than Sainsescoisons (With notable individual exceptions, but when you get a really good cashier at one of the others they stand out from the majority so much)

Moggy

They certainly are.
This morning, I called into Tesco Purley to purchase some sandwiches. On reaching the till, I said good morning to the cashier as I usually do. She did not acknowledge me, did not bother to look at me and carried on with her conversation bitching about the management with a colleague throughout the transaction. She was a WASP, shall we say.
In contrast, when I am served by any one member of the many ethnicities we have in this part of Greater London, I am, without fail, treated with courtesy and civility.
Make of that what you will, but please be careful when considering immigrant groups.

Without getting too deep into this obviously emotive issue I can say that when illegals are picked up they are sent back if they can’t put up a good case for being here, such as danger of death on return, that sort of thing. My daughter works for the UK Border Agency and they send plane loads back each week to various places around the world. Mind you, there’s nothing to stop them turning around and making their way back here once they are sent home.

I can also personally vouch for the fact that Germany, and hear second hand but without verification that France also has a far worse problem than we do, so it’s not a case Jim of them passing through all the other countries to get here because we are a soft touch.

There’s also the fact that has already been pointed out that it’s perfectly legal for EU citizens to come here, whether you agree with the law or not is another matter.

You can’t blame anyone for wanting to better themselves; I live in Lincoln which over the last ten years has had a massive influx of East European nationals. Most of them are OK, some are a pain. Just like white, British born and bred people. In fact, just like people.

My son is an immigrant, he went to Oz with his family seven years ago for a better life, which he has achieved in every way possible. I have no problem with people wanting to come here to better their lives; in fact I’m quite proud of the fact that they would want to come here.

I had a bizarre conversation in a pub not so long ago. A well known local work shy chappie was holding forth that most of the jobs that had been taken at a new business had gone to foreigners and they were the reason he couldn’t get work. I asked him if they had replied to his application. ‘Oh I didn’t bother applying, not worth it is it’ was his rather amusing reply. So these foreigners had taken the job that he hadn’t applied for.

Foreign nationals are a very convenient scapegoat for the indigenous population who have never worked and have never any intention of working.

mrtotty. I agree with your comments, and especialy the agriculteral issues, in SOUTH LINCS our farmers too would be in the proverbial if it were not for the Poles and Ukranians, who sometimes get up very early in the morning, travel, some from as far away as Lincoln, with their gangmasters and then work 12 hrs in all weathers.
No. I am on about the OTHER group who get here, illegaly, turn up at a Police Station, who then tell them to get to a central Immigration Centre, and thats when they disapear, and somehow get into the system.
I have no doubt you have seen the Boarder Control on TV when they raid a house and find forged instruments for false identity .ie fake Passports, C.Vs. etc. which then enables them to obtain benefits
We should be like Newzealand, and Austrailia, and tighten our boarders up.
Even Deano, the Moderator states that he, his airline and the lower cost airlines bring them over, and even he is fed up with the situation re they take jobs that could be taken by our folks.
The Boarder Control, and the benifits system needs a radical shakeup, and the 145.000 plus all the others, whatever Nationality, be found and be sent home.
If a Poll was taken, I would imagine that most would say the same, but thats just my opinion.
Those who have never been affected by some of these foreigners will disagree.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I feel I have to stick up for migrants because I am one.
I can tell you that the private education system in this country would collapse without hardworking and committed New Zealanders coming here to teach. Just getting on and doing the best possible job for the children we can, we make a huge contribution, as other migrant groups must do.
I also live in an agricultural area and the general consensus seems to be that the farmers would be up proverbial creek without their dedicated East European workers.:)

[QUOTE=kev35;1932155]Well, if they’re not in the system then they are clearly NOT living on benefits.

I think we are both aware that they come into the Country, and can change names etc so they can get benifits. The system is so blatently overloaded, that no one can spare the time to persue those that have gone missing.
I wish I could survive, on nothing, which you are suggesting the hundreds who have been “Lost” are, they must have found a way around the system somehow.
Jim.
Lincoln .7

I think we may be approaching that stage John, that is if it hasn’t already been passed. The problem lies with the fact that the benefits system is so cumbersome to manage that it is inevitable that some people will find ways to use that to their advantage.

Regards,

kev35

The fact remains that there are many people taking benefits…and some of those are taking advantage of the system.

At some point you’re going to have too many people taking out and not enough contributing.

According to the Chief Inspector of Immigration, there is a backlog of 150.000 immigrants, who have been lost in the system,, and their whereabouts are unknown.so they are unable to be sent back from whence they came from.
Just a thought, but what are they living on?

Jim.
Lincoln .7

Well, if they’re not in the system then they are clearly NOT living on benefits.

(Just noticed this is my 7,000th post. Mind you it’s took me ten or eleven years to do it.)

Regards,

kev35

Kev. In my original, no way did I say she was on the take………..
Jim.
Lincoln .7

The inference in your first post is absolutely clear…..

“In our local news, in Boston Lincs, there is a Latvian mother,(Unmarried), who came here with 4 children, she then obtained her other “6” children she had left in Latvia. She has £37.000 in benefits, and a very large house, and now she wants, nay, is demanding a much larger house, and it looks as if she may get it.”

Aside from the fact that you got the story about her ten children completely wrong, three of them in fact born in Britain, it is clear from what you have written above that you think she is on the ‘take’, a fact further supported by subsequent posts in which you suggest that the ten children are not her own, that her 16 year old child should be looking for work when it is likely that said child is still in full time education. You never look for evidence to back up any of the claims you make.

As to Leicester, the latest census figures available are from 2001, a summary from 2011 will be available later this year. I can’t find figures for Boston alone but official predictions for the ethnic breakdown of the population of Lincolnshire for 2010 put white British at 92.7%. The Sun’s report on why Boston now has 25% of its population comprising of immigrants is clearly explained. It is because they are the only people prepared to do the agricultural work. Had the, perhaps, predominantly 1,500 white British people claiming unemployment benefit in Boston been prepared to work in the agricultural industry perhaps the percentage of immigrants in the town would have been lower?

Regards,

kev35

At least they are not from a country which cuts peoples heads off on the internet.