Museum Of RAF Firefighting To Close

The Facebook page links suggest it’s correct

Maybe in that case it is wise untill a location is confirmed, hope it does live to fight another day.

Here’s the BBC weblink that was deleted http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-lincolnshire-42123472 my understanding (as of 10 days ago) is that the precise new location has not yet been revealed.

Addendum: Details of a ‘proposed’ new location in Gainsborough are mentioned in this older article http://lincolnshirereporter.co.uk/2017/08/new-lincolnshire-home-planned-for-museum-of-raf-firefighting/ but I’m not sure if it is the correct one!

Yes, no problem. Do you have more details old chap?

Bruce

With the news that the museum has relocated and due to reopen would it be a good idea to change the title of this thread?

Perhaps worth comparing number of aircraft in RAF / RN service and total flying hours in the 1950’s / 1960’s before suggesting thing were less safe. Any loss is bad, tragic if it is fatal, but no less avoidable today than fifty years ago.

That’s not how the RAF saw it it the time…..hence the numerous articles trying to create a culture of flight safety in a post-war airforce rather than the ‘press-on regardless’ risk taking more suited to the war years

Now then , now then, let’s not have a big flounce :rolleyes:

Very glad to see you have moved into the new premises at Gainsborough. Hope it works out for you.

https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=museum%20of%20raf%20fire%20fighting

Slight thread creep…..

Hardly slight, it is going off at a major tangent!

As nobody appears to be even remotely interested in the news that I posted, I have deleted the post.

As seems to be the case too often, members of web forums are very quick to get on their high horse and be aggressively indignant over unwelcome news; good news doesn’t give them anything to get up tight about, so it is ignored 🙁

Perhaps worth comparing number of aircraft in RAF / RN service and total flying hours in the 1950’s / 1960’s before suggesting thing were less safe. Any loss is bad, tragic if it is fatal, but no less avoidable today than fifty years ago.

“…look at the losses for the early 1950’s, ridiculous loss of life and aircraft – flight safety was clearly not ‘a thing’ then”

It’s not that safety wasn’t valued back then, rather our standards have changed. Back then, they were pleased with the safety records of the time since they were better than the 40s.

While I’m too young to personally address the ’50s, I can attest that as a child in the 60s, while growing up on air bases, there were safety offices and officers. There were also many safety publications published by the service, major commands, local offices as well as aircraft manufacturers.
I’d read them when visiting my father’s office.

Another way of looking at it, go to the aviation-safety network website and take a look at the annual list of airline crashes of the 60s. The major first-world airlines combined had a loss rate of one or two a month, very unacceptable by today’s standards, but compared to the 30s, they thought they were doing great.

Hi Brataccas

Would you happen to have one of these would you (attached)? I have some bad pictures of it and I have guessed a lot of the text. To get the model correct it would be nice to get a clear pic of the wording (and perhaps some dimensions, colour?)

what type? I have ww2 extuingishers and the ww2 abandoned airfields are littered with them, red and yellow ones. I can go and photograph a type if you want

Go further back and have a look at the losses for the early 1950’s, ridiculous loss of life and aircraft – flight safety was clearly not ‘a thing’ then

https://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?43847-RAF-Losses-1952

Slight thread creep, but it may be that many, perhaps most RAF fire crews may never have tacked a real emergency.

Great for flight safety, of course, but in 2016 there was just ONE military accident, and that was a helicopter which crash landed on Mt Snowdon .

Compare that to 1970, for example (much, much more flying than these days ) and it was carnage in comparison .

Losses are listed on this comprehensive data base http://www.ukserials.com/

This was May 1970 alone…….

05/1970 XN702 H-254 Sea Vixen FAW2 893 NAS Badly damaged during a deck landing accident on board HMS Hermes. Off loaded and transferred by lighter to Limassol Harbour, Cyprus then towed to Akrotiri during August where it was later broken up

01/05/1970 WJ632 Canberra TT18 A&AEE The pilot lost control of the aircraft at 4,000ft during an asymmetric assessment exercise. He used the incorrect recovery technique and it spun into Lyme Bay 3½ miles SE of Bridport, Dorset killing two of the three crew

03/05/1970 XV566 R-010 Phantom FG1 892 NAS While on loan to the A&AEE all radio and radar contact was lost. It had crashed into Lyme Bay, Dorset killing both crew

06/05/1970 XR433 R-044 Gannet AEW3 849 NAS Crashed on a night approach to Yeovilton, Somerset and burnt out killing both crew

07/05/1970 XP742 G Lightning F3 111 Sqn Crashed into the North Sea off Happisburgh, Norfolk following a reheat fire. The pilot ejected safely

13/05/1970 XT621 Scout AH1 665 Sqn The pilot became disorientated after the aircraft was engulfed in a sand cloud when landing at night in West Malaysia. It moved to the right, crashed onto its side and turned over injuring one of the three on board

26/05/1970 XR767 E Lightning F6 74 Sqn Flew into the Malacca Strait off Singapore at night killing the pilot

26/05/1970 XA304 Cadet TX3 1 GC Written off in a flying accident at Swanton Morley, Norfolk

27/05/1970 XR526 AH Wessex HC2 72 Sqn Broke its back in a heavy landing at Odiham, Hants. To 8147M at Odiham

Ive passed RAF Scampton loads before, the airbase looks very secure, and with no signage (that i saw) they certainly weren’t pushing for people to visit. Wishes I knew about it.

Bit of a shame, you’d have hoped they could have had spare offices to accomodated the Airshow (even some portacabins) but I suppose in these times of austerity they have to make use of what they have.

Hopefully the Museum can be resurrected either after the Airhsow or in another location. It’s also good that they seem to be getting to keep their vehicle storage facility for now.

I did see their web site – but wish I had seen that they had an extinguisher room as I would like to have a pic of a certain extinguisher – may need to wait till they unpack all the exhibits again!

James

This closure (it has already shut) was first mentioned on here on 22 November 2016 – it included more details from the museum.

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?138940-Scampton-Airshow&p=2357777#post2357777

A pity that we didn’t know about this at Britain at War, either!

New one on me too…………..