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Mystery wreckage found off Dutch Island. Postwar jet?

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Can anyone ID this wreckage found along the Dutch coast? I was sent some photos by the finder as it has an Armstrong Whitworth inspectors stamp, but it is not Whitley.

This part was found on mudflats, south of the island Rottumerplaat. That is a small Dutch island that faces the German island Borkum.

We think it may be from an Armstrong Whitworth built post war jet. Armstrong Whitworth built Meteors, Seahawks, Hunters and Javelins. The part numbers look a bit Hawkerish to me.

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By: Whitley_Project - 13th June 2011 at 15:44

Thanks very much everyone for all your help

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By: flash - 13th June 2011 at 13:38

Meteor

I have Meteor F.8 EG-258 “B2-Y” of the Belgian Air Force crashed near Keitim/Sylt, Germany on 8 sep 1958, might be a possible candidate ?

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By: ZRX61 - 13th June 2011 at 05:57

That was my first thought too, but they weren`t made by Armstrong Whitworth.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 12th June 2011 at 19:00

Meteor nacelle

Here’s a pic from the Mk.8 manual. It looks close enough structurally.

The number of formers/bays ties in too.

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By: Whitley_Project - 12th June 2011 at 18:39

Thanks Anon

Certainly seems similar. Anyone got a collection of Meteor parts catalogues by any chance? 😀

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By: Arabella-Cox - 12th June 2011 at 18:03

Parts

I’m quite certain that the component is part of the forward section of a Meteor engine nacelle.

Everything about it seems to tally with the Meteor parts in my possession except the part numbers seem to be a bit later than the Mk.8 possibly indicating Meteor NF, which would tie in perfectly with a Armstrong Whitworth-built Meteor Night Fighter.

The W, X, Y and Z prefix letters are peculiar to Glosters and AW-built Meteors, with about half the Mk.8 production being built by AW and all the night fighters thereafter.

See attached pics of Meteor Mk.8 nacelle intake. Of interest is the slight flattening of the inside curvature towards the rear face of the intake tunnel, the skin being supported by the small gussets conspicuous on the photos of the recovered section.

See what you think.

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By: Whitley_Project - 12th June 2011 at 17:00

Thanks guys…

Pagen – thats an inspectors stamp and just relates to where it was built etc.

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By: pagen01 - 12th June 2011 at 16:22

Dalek comment made me laugh, out loudly as it happens!

As Armstrong Whitworth designed and built the Meteor Night Fighters could AW96G be the type number does anyone know?

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By: PeterVerney - 12th June 2011 at 16:15

AW built many Meteor F8s and all the NF series. We dumped quite a number into the North Sea, one way or another.:rolleyes:

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By: MerlinPete - 12th June 2011 at 15:50

I’m thinking Dalek? :D;)

That was my first thought too, but they weren`t made by Armstrong Whitworth.

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By: CeBro - 12th June 2011 at 15:48

This part was inspected by some of our group a few weeks ago and it was also thought to be from a Meteor.

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By: ZRX61 - 12th June 2011 at 15:41

I’m thinking Dalek? :D;)

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By: Box Brownie - 12th June 2011 at 14:56

You could probably be right with Sylt. This was my immediate thought. I was there when my father was on the drogue flight. The APS used the Mk8 until the unit closed in ’61. I believe the majority of the a/c were flown back to the UK and converted to U16’s.

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By: sycamore - 12th June 2011 at 12:56

Looks like the aft wing root fairing,or the front part of an intake,presumably the rivets are c/sunk..possibly Meteor, Sylt was a common training camp..

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By: Arabella-Cox - 12th June 2011 at 12:54

Pretty certain is a Meteor Intake nacell. AW numbers stamps and the part nos Y and X tally up too..

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By: Arabella-Cox - 12th June 2011 at 12:52

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By: Tin Triangle - 12th June 2011 at 12:26

Could not the “AW” stand for Armstrong Whitworth? Or is that too obvious? After all, they made Sea Hawks, which as said the Dutch operated, plus Meteors, although I understand most of these were licence-built by Fokker and weren’t the night-fighter variants which AW were involved in.

EDIT: sorry, just seen the comment to this effect in the original post. Didn’t know that AW also built Javelins…

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By: MerlinPete - 12th June 2011 at 12:19

Why am I thinking Meteor?

Looks just like a Meteor nacelle intake to me.

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By: pagen01 - 12th June 2011 at 12:16

They also used Sea Hawks and Hunters! Also it wouldn’t be unreasonable to expect British operated versions to be found of the Dutch coast.
I can’t place it immediately for those three types, but funny that you should mention Supermarine as my first thoughts when I saw the pics and before reading the text was something like Attacker/Swift or Scimitar intake area – but wrong group for them.

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By: Arabella-Cox - 12th June 2011 at 12:00

Why am I thinking Meteor?

I’ll probably be corrected, but then the Dutch did operate Meteors I think.

Although why do I recognise 16S. Supermarine?

Anyway…I’m just groping in the dark and not being terribly helpful in any definitive sense, Elliott.

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