Napier Sabre ID

Having looked at a few pictures of Typhoons/Tempests that have belly landed, the bend of the blades seems to be a bit less severe compared to this one [from what I can see] this looks as though the engine has hit softer ground but maybe vertical?

Iirc Roger marley’s cockpit has engine bearers fitted.
Cees

Part of the reason why I am picking this one to concentrate on is because of the engine mount and frame….genuine (I assume from the same aircraft as the engine). A bit like the one on display in France, that has the front main spars aswell, there must be more to the history of the remaining airframe otherwise the engine frame would have been mangled. The a always persistent rumours of wings surviving in France and other parts of Europe so perhaps there is some truth and they could even be from these exhibits.

I will try to see if I can get in touch with nils for some further details…

The condition as has been said is remarkable looking at the largest size picture, interesting in that it has be dismantled/reassembled with ease looking at it and again as has been said there must be more of the aircraft.

I’ve always wanted to visit the Auto & Technik Museum.

I can perhaps understand the bias towards the technical side of exhibits; the war being ‘problematic’ for modern Germany but I think generally in Germany there is a far higher respect for the engineering side of historic aircraft than their ever will be in the United Kingdom. As someone who is particularly interested in the engineering aspect myself, it is something that I heartily approve of; and sometimes think is lacking in museums in the United Kingdom.

I can definitely recommend the Sinshiem museum – we needed stopover on our way back from Hungary and my son is a fan of the Tu-144, so for once I didn’t need to think up an excuse! 😀

I quite agree, the detailed technical info is still of interest and often lacking in UK museums – I just like a bit of a balance and an possibly biased towards the historical detail. I had heard that in Germany museums used to have a bit of a problem sometimes with the historical background, but really didn’t see this anymore – we also visited the new documentation centres at Nürnberg and the Obersalzberg, where they have really grasped the nettle so to speak and both are excellent.

That said, the Sinsheim museum is by definition technically biased and there is nothing wrong with that – may try for a stopover at Speyer next year!

Getting back to topic, I also agree that the incorporation of the engine mounts on the Napier Sabre, really sets it off, but looking at the condition, they must have found more of the aircraft? and it would be nice to see that – sadly I have never found engine mounts in anywhere near good enough condition to incorporate with an engine as they invariably get very badly mangled as the engine buries itself!

I agree that it has been nicely displayed. They have resisted any attempt to put it into any sort of ‘crashed’ scenario; that is what I thought was so ‘Germanic’.

…apart from technical information on the actual piece of machinery, there was virtually no historical information whatsoever…

I’ve always wanted to visit the Auto & Technik Museum.

I can perhaps understand the bias towards the technical side of exhibits; the war being ‘problematic’ for modern Germany but I think generally in Germany there is a far higher respect for the engineering side of historic aircraft than their ever will be in the United Kingdom. As someone who is particularly interested in the engineering aspect myself, it is something that I heartily approve of; and sometimes think is lacking in museums in the United Kingdom.

Sabre i/d

Looks like it is from an aircraft that has deadsticked, with a windmilling propeller, into fresh water, judging by the lack of damage and general condition.

Beautifully displayed, it’s nice to see the engine mounts still on and incorporated as part of the display instead of being discarded and the usual four-poster bed type stand on the floor.

The people who recovered it must have found more, possibly with an i/d on an access panel, you would have thought. It’ll be hard to pin down though being an unknown loss late in the war. I would think it likely the pilot survived.

Anon.

There is something very ‘Germanic’ about the way it is displayed.

I visited the Auto & Technik Museum at Sinheim near Heidelberg a couple of weeks ago – fantastic museum and far more than you can really get around in a day – but then I am as keen on cars and military vehicles as aircraft! I did note quite a few Aviation Archaeology items on display, including engines propellers etc, all from digs or underwater recoveries, but apart from technical information on the actual piece of machinery, there was virtually no historical information whatsoever – the most detailed mentioned it was originally fitted to an Fw190 and had been found 9 meters down on a moor in northern Germany and that was it!. The Stuka even had a sign in German & English asking visitors if they knew anything about the aircraft! Seemed a very strange way to display relic artefacts to me.

There is something very ‘Germanic’ about the way it is displayed.

I am wondering if Nils who took the photograph is the same chap who is very active in aircraft parts recovery in Germany.
He runs the aero part identify board or API and posts as ‘pathfinder’, he has posted on here a few times too.

http://www.iphpbb.com/board/fs-81805422nx79380.html

no-one seen this Sabre before? Looks to have been prepared well for display so hoping someone may have seen it before