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By: Mpacha - 1st February 2013 at 22:18
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By: Yama - 1st February 2013 at 19:58
Finnish Border Guard sells surplus vessels
Three Telkkä-class patrol boats are for sale. Relatively new, it was quickly found out they were ill-suited for the role (no ice strengthening!) and they saw little operational use.
By: Wanshan - 31st January 2013 at 17:52
I believe I read somewhere that the Mistral was design to accommodate the F-35 during its design stage? I assume with an eye on exporting the type. (I’ll have to look for a source) In addition I would also add that US LHA/LHD focus of Troops and Equipment. Yet, leave some room for a small number of STOVL Aircraft. (6-Harrier II’s)
US LHA-LHDs always have 4/6 Sea Harrier. They have a secondary sea control role envisioned but there have been instances where LHAs have been loaded up with a far greater number.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/news/2003/03/mil-030305-nns01.htm
Mind you, the USN LHA/LHD displace upward of 40k ton…. double or near double the displacement of Mistrals, JCarlos1, Dokdo. I very very much doubt you would ever see an ex-USN Gator handed over to a foreign navy.
Mistral may be able to handle F-35, but like Dokdo is smallish (relative to US LHA/D and even JCarlos1) and would need modification (fitted with ski-jump)
By: Arabella-Cox - 31st January 2013 at 08:42
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/India-Looking-for-Amphibious-Ships-07213/
Mistral LHD (DCNS). : no F/35B
Multifunctional Ship LHD (Fincantieri) : no F-35B (A Cavour derivative could though),
BPE LHD or Galicia LPD (Navantia): BPE is F-35B capable w ski-jump, Galicia/Schelde Enforcer isn´t (but the Enforcer series does include full-deck variants)
Dokdo LHD (Hanjin HI): large enough to support F-35B but at present no ski-jump.That tells you that the focus is on troop+cargo movement with landing craft and helicopters. Only Spain´s BPE can without modification also serve F-35B or SHAR. Likewise Cavour, but this is far more limited in terms of troop and cargo carrying capability and landing craft. I don´t think any of the other types is suitable, with the possible exception of an Enforcer series LHD ship (but I have doubts even about that)
I believe I read somewhere that the Mistral was design to accommodate the F-35 during its design stage? I assume with an eye on exporting the type. (I’ll have to look for a source) In addition I would also add that US LHA/LHD focus of Troops and Equipment. Yet, leave some room for a small number of STOVL Aircraft. (6-Harrier II’s)
By: Wanshan - 31st January 2013 at 07:36
Reports surface that India has issued an international RFP for up to 4 amphibious operations vessels with strong helicopter carrier capabilities…
4 LHD type aviation & amphibious ships, with designs to come from foreign firms. The expected candidates come from France, Italy, Spain, and even South Korea…Reports at this point center on LPDs, which would add options like the Dutch/Spanish Rotterdam/Galicia Class, and Britain’s derivative Bay Class
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/India-Looking-for-Amphibious-Ships-07213/
Mistral LHD (DCNS). : no F/35B
Multifunctional Ship LHD (Fincantieri) : no F-35B (A Cavour derivative could though),
BPE LHD or Galicia LPD (Navantia): BPE is F-35B capable w ski-jump, Galicia/Schelde Enforcer isn´t (but the Enforcer series does include full-deck variants)
Dokdo LHD (Hanjin HI): large enough to support F-35B but at present no ski-jump.
That tells you that the focus is on troop+cargo movement with landing craft and helicopters. Only Spain´s BPE can without modification also serve F-35B or SHAR. Likewise Cavour, but this is far more limited in terms of troop and cargo carrying capability and landing craft. I don´t think any of the other types is suitable, with the possible exception of an Enforcer series LHD ship (but I have doubts even about that)
By: Arabella-Cox - 31st January 2013 at 01:07
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Role_Support_Vessel
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/India-Looking-for-Amphibious-Ships-07213/
Really, nothing in the general details. Yet, I would be shocked in the final selection it doesn’t include such a capability.
By: Wanshan - 30th January 2013 at 23:43
It will be interesting to see if the Indian Requirement includes the ability to operate STOVL Aircraft?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-Role_Support_Vessel
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=202
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/India-Looking-for-Amphibious-Ships-07213/
By: Arabella-Cox - 30th January 2013 at 08:56
Why (and HOW) would a requirement that is solely for purchasing helicopters that will be operated from ships include anything about requiring those helicopters to somehow operate STOVL aircraft?
India would be extremely short sighted. If they exclude the ability for the LHD to operate STOVL Aircraft.
Remember, Australia has that capability with the BPE from Spain and they don’t plan on operating STOVL Aircraft. At least not in the beginning.
By: Bager1968 - 30th January 2013 at 08:11
Indian Navy sending out an RFP to purchase 120 naval helos for about $6 billion.
It will be interesting to see if the Indian Requirement includes the ability to operate STOVL Aircraft?
Why (and HOW) would a requirement that is solely for purchasing helicopters that will be operated from ships include anything about requiring those helicopters to somehow operate STOVL aircraft?
By: Arabella-Cox - 30th January 2013 at 04:20
Indian Navy sending out an RFP to purchase 120 naval helos for about $6 billion.
It will be interesting to see if the Indian Requirement includes the ability to operate STOVL Aircraft?
By: CoffeeBean - 29th January 2013 at 23:11
Indian Navy sending out an RFP to purchase 120 naval helos for about $6 billion.
By: Wanshan - 29th January 2013 at 22:48
The statement that the French design does not work in the cold is only a complain that the order went to France – not to a Russian yard.
Agreed whole heartedly
By: TR1 - 29th January 2013 at 22:27
Rogozin doesn’t know military specifics, so I wouldn’t worry about him.
There are enough legitimate question marks about these Mistrals for the Russian navy; no need to make up silly arguments.
By: leon - 29th January 2013 at 21:30
The statement that the French design does not work in the cold is only a complain that the order went to France – not to a Russian yard.
By: Wanshan - 29th January 2013 at 20:49
I would imagine landing ships should be able to operate in the cold weather but who knows with mistral class. Have the French done any training in cold weather like the landing missions in Norway the Royal Navy does or used to do? I would imagine they would have done cold weather trials or the Russians would have asked before buying does it work in the cold. If its a dock problem they still have the large flight deck. I can’t think what could stop a ship working after -7 degrees?
Without ruling out the possibility, exactly WHY/HOW wouldn´t Mistral class ships ´work´ at -7?
Cold Response is a Norwegian led winter exercise. The main purpose of this year’s winter exercise is to rehearse high intensity operations in winter conditions within NATO with a UN mandate….Over 16 000 soldiers from 15 nations will participate in the exercise. The forces come from all defense branches, including some Special Forces. The largest participation come from Canada, France, The Netherlands, Great Britain, Sweden and the United States. Several of the forces have trained in Norway earlier in 2012 to prepare for participation in the winter exercise….Cold Response will be executed in the area between Harstad, Narvik and Tromsø. Naval forces will operate along the coast of Harstad to Tromsø during the whole period.
Imminent is NATO’s Exercise Cold Response in northern Norway, while later in the year the UK Response Force Task Group – the Navy’s principal sword, forged from assault ships, escorts, helicopters and the elite ‘punch’ of the Royal Marines – has the chance to warm up working alongside the French in the Med.
Longer term, the amphibious forces of five European nations – France, Spain, Italy, the Netherlands and UK – are looking to work more closely together.
http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Latest-News/2012/January/11/120111-Cold-Weather-Response
The French mountain brigade (27°BIM) comes regularly to the Joint Winter exercises in Norway.
The French SF also train in Sweden with the K4 LRRP unit.
http://jdb.marine.defense.gouv.fr/index.php/tag/Porte-avions%20Charles%20de%20Gaulle
By: Stonewall - 29th January 2013 at 12:13
U.S. and Timor-Leste Naval Forces Build Maritime Partnerships
(Source: U.S Navy; issued January 25, 2013)
PORT HERA NAVY BASE, Timor-Leste — The U.S. Navy and Timorese Navy commenced the first Cooperation Afloat Readiness and Training (CARAT) Timor-Leste exercise Jan. 25, with an opening ceremony held at Port Hera Navy Base.
U.S. Ambassador Judith Fergin and Col. Falur Rate Laek, Chief of Staff of the Timor-Leste Defense Force (F-FDTL), officiated the ceremony.
Fergin reaffirmed U.S. support for Timor-Leste’s efforts to consolidate peace and security gains, noting the exercise enhanced mutual cooperation.
“The contributions that the participants in Exercise CARAT will make this week will strengthen the foundations of cooperation between our two countries for years to come,” said Fergin.
In his opening remarks, Laek noted that the upcoming exercises build a stronger relationship between Timor-Leste and U.S. naval forces.
“The partnership between the Timor-Leste and U.S. Navy and Marines is not a new one. These Naval and Marine exercises between Timor-Leste and United States help to will ensure peace, build experience, and strengthen the permanent partnership between Timor-Leste and the United States,” said Laek.
Over the next four days, Marines from U.S. Fleet Antiterrorism and Security Team (FAST), Pacific, will conduct hands on skill transfers and combat fundamentals with their F-FDTL counterparts.
In addition to FAST, Coast Guardsmen from the U.S. Coast Guard Maritime Training Branch homeported in Yorktown, Va., and Seabees from Naval Mobile Construction Battalion (NMCB) 5, homported in Port Hueneme, Calif., will conduct subject matter expert exchanges with the F-FDTL Navy on several F-FDTL ships. Coast Guardsmen will hold training on engineering, navigation, seamanship and damage control, while the Seabees will conduct medical, mechanical and electrical classroom courses.
Representing U.S. forces, Lt. Cmdr. Jennie Stone, CARAT Liaison Officer, Logistics Group Western Pacific, noted these exchanges allowed maritime professionals to share best practices and build partnerships.
“Our partners in the F-FDTL are skilled professionals, and this exercise helps increase interoperability between our forces, while at the same time building personal and professional relationships. This ongoing development becomes critical should future events call for our forces to work side-by-side,” said Stone.
CARAT is a series of annual, bilateral maritime exercises between the U.S. Navy and the armed forces of Bangladesh, Brunei, Cambodia, Indonesia, Malaysia, the Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, and Timor-Leste.
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By: F35b - 29th January 2013 at 10:41
I would imagine landing ships should be able to operate in the cold weather but who knows with mistral class. Have the French done any training in cold weather like the landing missions in Norway the Royal Navy does or used to do? I would imagine they would have done cold weather trials or the Russians would have asked before buying does it work in the cold. If its a dock problem they still have the large flight deck. I can’t think what could stop a ship working after -7 degrees?
By: Wanshan - 28th January 2013 at 20:07
Clearly politicing as there is no fact or verification or explanation in the article and statements.
French Warship for Russia ‘Won’t Work in Cold’ – Minister
RIA Novosti 17:50 26/01/2013MOSCOW, January 26 (RIA Novosti) – Two amphibious assault ships bought for the Russian Navy from France in a 1.2 billion euro deal will not be able to operate in temperatures below seven degrees centigrade, Russia’s Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin admitted on Saturday, in critical comments about the contract.
‘It’s very odd that ships for offloading a landing force, floating in our latitudes won’t work in temperatures below seven degrees,’ said Rogozin, who has special responsibilities for the defense industry, in a meeting of the Academy of Military Science on Saturday.
‘Maybe they thought we’re going to undertake special operations in Africa but I doubt that’s going to happen,’ he added. He did not elaborate on why the ships would not work in cool temperatures. It was also unclear whether he meant plus seven degrees or minus seven, as Russian-speakers often leave out the word for minus when they assume it is clear which side of freezing they are talking about.
It is the second time this week that the Mistral deal has come under fire from a senior defense official. On Thursday, Military-Industrial Commission Deputy Head Ivan Kharchenko described the deal to buy the ships as “absurd,” saying the deal had inflicted harm on the Russian shipbuilding industry.
I suppose if all water is frozen, your floating dock isn’t much good…. but is that a design flaw?
By: Tango III - 28th January 2013 at 19:09
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