'Nazi' Gold Train reported found in Poland (Aviation related, honest!)

It was reported in a US newspaper (can’t remember which one) a few days ago that the Russians have said the trains were probably used to dispose of the bodies of concentration camp and/or slave labourers from nearby camps. As the Russians were first into that area in 1945 they might well know something about it. And if you think about it, the claim makes sense after the efforts the Nazis went to in order to destroy evidence of their atrocities. So maybe no aviation content (or gold) at all.

Just send in the right people 🙂

hi,
Anyone know when the JCB’s are going in, what’s the hold up?

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Well as ever, there’s only one place to go for the real truth of the matter: the latest Daily Mail story on the subject….

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3248723/Could-Nazi-gold-train-treasure-hunters-JAILED-getting-hands-loot-Two-men-mystery-train-face-arrest-Poland-illegal-search.html

…which basically says.. “probably not til next summer”.

hi,
Anyone know when the JCB’s are going in, what’s the hold up?

regards,
jack…

HI Matt the images have been in the public domain for a couple of weeks now. There are several ‘serious’ publications that have published these as being genuine scans of the tunnel and train. Whether they are authentic I leave that to people cleverer than I.

Hi, Mike, and thanks for the clarification.

Matt

http://www.n-tv.de/ticker/Nazi-Goldzug-Tunnelanlage-in-Polen-bis-zu-200-Hektar-gross-article16005266.html

It´s in German, but the short version of what it says is that they can´t prove whether there´s a train there or not, but they are talking about having discovered an up to 200 hectare underground tunnel complex.

A Brummbär! Blimey! (Or is it?)

Actually, we shouldn’t call the Sturmpanzer a ‘Brummbär’ anymore (it’s a bit like calling the Bristol Beaufighter ‘whispering death’) we called it that but the Germans (Japanese) never did, apparently.

So, the GPR images seem to show a train of armour rather than an ‘armoured train’. Far more interesting to me but I think far less chance of there being any gold involved.

Here’s another supposedly genuine GPR image that’s been published: apparently the one that convinced the local town worthies that there was something there.

I certainly don’t remember them looking like that on Time Team…. :rolleyes:[ATTACH=CONFIG]240746[/ATTACH]

Ahh well if they are published in ‘serious’ publications I’ll switch off my bull**** detector and take them as gospel without question.

Ross

HI Matt the images have been in the public domain for a couple of weeks now. There are several ‘serious’ publications that have published these as being genuine scans of the tunnel and train. Whether they are authentic I leave that to people cleverer than I.

In a quick first peek, I had assumed beachcomber’s GPR plot was a joke…but, no, I think it was meant to be legit; there is no obvious joke, like a hidden can of Spitfire Beer. Beachcomber, can you explain how you obtained this plot? Ross, I agree that it does look odd. Couldn’t possibly be a vertical shaft, right? I’m sure, in time, the experts will speak up about what we amateurs can’t quite wrap our brains around.

Very strange looking GPR plot.

If it’s a vertical section the anomaly is down a capped shaft not a tunnel.

However it is presented (vertical section or horizontal slice) the surrounding ground is shown as completely uniform in structure with no natural inclusions of any type giving rise to reflections.

If it is GPR false colour plot then it’s been subject to very coarse after processing to filter out geo information.

These are more akin to GPR equipment displays

Vertical Section
http://www.ndt.net/article/wcndt00/papers/idn667/fig3.jpg

Looks more like a resistivity or magnetic plot to me.

Good primer info here
http://asstgroup.com/techniques.html

Ross

perhaps the confessor is the last of “the boys from Brazil”

Me too, but I agree, I doubt anybody will find any gold; gold is the traditional lure for investors.

Absolutely a huge difference a train hidden in a tunnel only a handful of people knew about and most of those probably dead. The country was communist until almost 40 years later and no one would dare to or see much point in looking for that train then. By the time Poland opened up all trace, memory or desire to search would be long gone the few searching dismissed as crackpots. A gold laiden train is unlikely but a tunnel with something in is highly likely. As I say I’m looking forward to seeing what they find.

There is a big difference between hiding a train in a tunnel and ‘losing’ an airliner, or the fragmented wreckage of an airliner, under a million square miles of deep ocean.

The confessor would likely be well into his sixties by the time Poland left the USSR there are many reasons he may not have been able to make a claim. Personally I’m watching this one with interest. If an airliner with the latest technology which everyone is looking for can be lost then a train that’s purposely been hidden can be lost for 70 years!

My trite comment (with the word employed being tongue in cheek),was that the workers were silenced (a war crime), but might the silencers have included the ‘death bed confessor’ and so his revelation was only made when he and his possible involvement was slipping beyond the laws of man . In pure speculation, even if this was the scenario, and a cadre of ‘interested parties’ got away from the ‘crime’ they still had a long and arduous journey back to Germany pursued by a vengeful Russian army. There may have therefore been only a sole survivor who dared not profit from his knowledge in his lifetime.

John

Unless some of the people who were employed to hide it were “silenced” afterwards?

Yes, you could easily ‘liquidate’ everybody: the train crew, those that dug the tunnels, those that hid the train and even those that liquidated the aforementioned…

…but what I was talking about was the ‘deathbed confession’.

This whole ‘discovery’ was apparently triggered by a deathbed confession; so my question is, if the person who made the deathbed confession knew about a train full of gold, why did that person wait until they were on their deathbed to tell somebody else about the train full of gold? Why didn’t they claim the gold, or 10% of the gold, for themselves before they were on their deathbed?

Gone a bit quiet on this Gold malarkey.