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Near miss at NCL and an Air Stewardess falls out of the plane?

From the Newcastle Evening Chronicle:
Two RAF fighter planes were involved in a near miss with a passenger plane that had just taken off from Newcastle Airport.

The KLM flight to Amsterdam was moments from disaster when two RAF Hawks got too close at 15,000ft above the North Sea 30 miles south-east of the airport.

The scare sparked an “airprox” warning, which occurs when the pilot or controller is concerned that the distance between aircraft, their relative positions and their speed may compromise safety.

It is believed the two military jets had taken off from RAF Leeming, in Yorkshire and the KLM Boeing 737 had been in the air for 12 minutes when the alarm was raised.

The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has revealed the close call came just weeks after a report warned of a disaster waiting to happen in the North East skies.

In a statement, the CAA said: “The 737 was on route to Amsterdam and receiving an air traffic service from Newcastle when the incident took place at approximately 15,000ft.”

Investigators from the UK Airprox Board are examining the case and are expected to make a full report later this year.

A spokeswoman for Newcastle Airport said: “We can confirm a KLM 737 which took off from Newcastle was involved in an airprox with two RAF Hawks over the North Sea.

“At the moment air traffic control are awaiting the results of the investigation.”

The MoD has declined to comment on the incident while the CAA investigation is underway.

The near miss took place on June 4, just three weeks after the Government’s Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB) called on the RAF to change its procedures after a series of near misses and crashes involving military planes.

The AAIB report concluded: “The concurrent use of unregulated airspace by both civilian air transport and military aircraft in the North East should be reviewed jointly at the highest level by the CAA and MoD with the aim of eliminating airproxes and potential collisions with likely large-scale loss of life.”

The warning came after an investigation into a near miss between after a RAF Tornado and a helicopter returning from a North Sea oil platform last February.

Berwick MP Alan Beith has raised questions in the Commons as to whether the MoD was doing enough to prevent potentially fatal encounters between military and civilian flights.

Following the AAIB report he said: “These recommendations reflect detailed analysis of a long series of alarming incidents and of the failure of previous measures.”

A spokesman for KLM said: “We have not been contacted as yet by the CAA. If that happens we will be fully co-operativeThe KLM flight to Amsterdam was moments from disaster when two RAF Hawks got too close at 15,000ft above the North Sea 30 miles south-east of the airport.

The scare sparked an “airprox” warning, which occurs when the pilot or controller is concerned that the distance between aircraft, their relative positions and their speed may compromise safety.

It is believed the two military jets had taken off from RAF Leeming, in Yorkshire and the KLM Boeing 737 had been in the air for 12 minutes when the alarm was raised.

The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) has revealed the close call came just weeks after a report warned of a disaster waiting to happen in the North East skies.

In a statement, the CAA said: “The 737 was on route to Amsterdam and receiving an air traffic service from Newcastle when the incident took place at approximately 15,000ft.”

Investigators from the UK Airprox Board are examining the case and are expected to make a full report later this year.

A spokeswoman for Newcastle Airport said: “We can confirm a KLM 737 which took off from Newcastle was involved in an airprox with two RAF Hawks over the North Sea.

“At the moment air traffic control are awaiting the results of the investigation.”

The MoD has declined to comment on the incident while the CAA investigation is underway.

The near miss took place on June 4, just three weeks after the Government’s Air Accident Investigation Branch (AAIB) called on the RAF to change its procedures after a series of near misses and crashes involving military planes.

The AAIB report concluded: “The concurrent use of unregulated airspace by both civilian air transport and military aircraft in the North East should be reviewed jointly at the highest level by the CAA and MoD with the aim of eliminating airproxes and potential collisions with likely large-scale loss of life.”

The warning came after an investigation into a near miss between after a RAF Tornado and a helicopter returning from a North Sea oil platform last February.

Berwick MP Alan Beith has raised questions in the Commons as to whether the MoD was doing enough to prevent potentially fatal encounters between military and civilian flights.

Following the AAIB report he said: “These recommendations reflect detailed analysis of a long series of alarming incidents and of the failure of previous measures.”

A spokesman for KLM said: “We have not been contacted as yet by the CAA. If that happens we will be fully co-operative.”

Stewrdess badly hurt in fall from jet

An Air Stewardess was in hospital today with serious injuries after plunging 15ft from the back door of a plane shortly before take off.

Danielle Henry, 21 of Dugdale Road, Kingston Park, Newcastle, is believed to have been helping close the back door of the Boeing 757 when she fell on to the concrete at Corfu Airport.

Holidaymakers on the Newcastle bound flight in the early hours of Monday watched in horror as Miss Henry screamed in pain.

Paramedics arrived at the scene to take over from colleagues who had rushd to help her by administering oxygen and medical supplies.

Miss Henry, who joined Thomas Cook Airlines only four months ago and was based at Newcastle, was taken to Corfu General Hospital.

She was detained there until early today when a specially chartered air ambulance flew her to Newcastle General Hospital. Her left ankle is broken and she has a broken left arm in two places which will require two operations.

Doctors are also investigating an injury to her pelvis and severe pain in her back.

Her mother Pauline Henry said this afternoon: “I am so relieved to have Danielle back in Newcastle, she hated her time spent in Corfu hospital and was in great pain.

“She may need two operations to correct her injuries which are a broken left arm and left ankle. She has also injured her pelvis and is currently suffering from a back problem which is currently under observation.”

A hospital spokeswoman confirmed Danielle’s condition is stable. The flight was delayed for 40 minutes.

Shaun Robinson, director of airline communications, said an investigation had been launched by the airline and the air accident investigation branch based in Farnborough.

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By: Jeanske_SN - 7th August 2004 at 19:24

I think the door should be able to be split in half. E.g keeping the botom half closed and the second half open.
Just a thought.

Doesn’t make any sense, because the lower door would have to be pulled up by a hydraulic engine. If we have this engine, we could also close the normal door automatically.

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By: Bmused55 - 7th August 2004 at 16:23

A few points to throw into the discussion…

The tapes/straps that Airbus and Boeing fit to door openings are not actually designed to stop people falling out, they are there to visually remind people that the doorway is open (I always thought the big drop would be more noticeable).

Health and safety requirements (and common sense) dictates that all companies have quite strict policies on door opening/closure so technically if someone falls out they have not operated in accordance with the way they have been trained. Harsh, I know, but that is what it would boil down to in court. Girls are supposed to wear flat shoes onboard for safety reasons so if they haven’t changed out of their stackers before operating doors they have instantly given the lawyers a get out clause.

However…this accident is the result of a different set of circumstances. Danielle (a very nice girl who I flew with in my last week at TCX) was standing on the steps while she closed the L2 door when the Greek driver towed the steps away without checking. She was left hanging from the door until she couldn’t hold on any more. Corfu is just as dangerous on the ground as it is in the air!

Ouch.

I hope that greek ramp rat gets a good talking too.

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By: wysiwyg - 7th August 2004 at 14:22

So you want the passengers to jump over a hurdle when boarding???

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By: wysiwyg - 6th August 2004 at 13:44

A few points to throw into the discussion…

The tapes/straps that Airbus and Boeing fit to door openings are not actually designed to stop people falling out, they are there to visually remind people that the doorway is open (I always thought the big drop would be more noticeable).

Health and safety requirements (and common sense) dictates that all companies have quite strict policies on door opening/closure so technically if someone falls out they have not operated in accordance with the way they have been trained. Harsh, I know, but that is what it would boil down to in court. Girls are supposed to wear flat shoes onboard for safety reasons so if they haven’t changed out of their stackers before operating doors they have instantly given the lawyers a get out clause.

However…this accident is the result of a different set of circumstances. Danielle (a very nice girl who I flew with in my last week at TCX) was standing on the steps while she closed the L2 door when the Greek driver towed the steps away without checking. She was left hanging from the door until she couldn’t hold on any more. Corfu is just as dangerous on the ground as it is in the air!

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By: Bmused55 - 6th August 2004 at 09:44

Something jamming the door setting off a cabin warning as I recall ? Looked a bit dangerous mind you, girls in heels hanging out the open rear door looking for a blockage.

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ooh, theres a blast from the not to distant past.

Almost a year now since I joined this crazyhouse of a forum.

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By: Ren Frew - 6th August 2004 at 09:27

Allen, remember those pictures of the TCX rear end with the two stewardess’s at the rear door. When we got the pictures we found out what they were doing…:D

Something jamming the door setting off a cabin warning as I recall ? Looked a bit dangerous mind you, girls in heels hanging out the open rear door looking for a blockage.

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By: Ren Frew - 6th August 2004 at 00:09

To be honest I don’t know why the Health and Safety executive don’t insist on a harness for this type of operation? I know I’d get a severe reprimand if I attempted to work at this height from the ground without adequate safety equipment installed.

The girl may have a good case for compensation, citing her employers failure to provide a safe working environment? But then again she’d never work in the business again were she to take them to task, such is the industrial culture we live in.

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By: Jeanske_SN - 6th August 2004 at 00:02

Accidents will happen before something will change in the free flight of military aircraft. Always when something happens, people start thinking.
I agree, some sort of safety cord should be available. Just three or four cords to hang horizontally in front of the exit. The question is if this will be used by the crew.
Imagine falling out of the 747 upper deck door or soon the A380 upper deck. Could kill you!

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By: Ren Frew - 5th August 2004 at 18:09

Hmmm… DC-9, EMA, wonder who that could be 😉

Same thing at GLA a couple of years ago involving an Easy Jet flight crew member.

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By: Pablo - 5th August 2004 at 17:49

Happened on an occasional but regular basis when I worked in a certain UK airline, including one I remember quite well when a fairly senior captain fell out of the open front catering door of a DC-9…

Hmmm… DC-9, EMA, wonder who that could be 😉

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By: steve rowell - 5th August 2004 at 11:46

Falling out of a plane. That must of hurt really badly. Will she return to Thomas Cook?

She’s a tough Geordie lass, she’ll bounce back

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By: Ren Frew - 5th August 2004 at 10:18

The fears of commercial pilots operating in the largely unregulated airspace of the east coast were well documented in the recent BBC series Crowded Skies. There should still a thread kicking about here when we discussed it around the time of broadcast.

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By: Bmused55 - 5th August 2004 at 07:28

Near Misses with Military aircraft.

I’ve heard this so many times. When will the air laws be updated to include Military fast moving jets? So far they are free to roam, regardless. They’re gonna kill some people before things change

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By: topjet330 - 4th August 2004 at 23:22

shouldnt there be a safety cord that is placed across the door to stop accidents such as this happening

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By: Skymonster - 4th August 2004 at 19:59

Crew falling out of aeroplanes… Happened on an occasional but regular basis when I worked in a certain UK airline, including one I remember quite well when a fairly senior captain fell out of the open front catering door of a DC-9… Usually results in broken bones and some time off work.

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