Need infos about 2 crashed 1941 by Kiel

Sorry, but I must correct and complete my data about the crash on 09.August 1941:

The crashed a/c was a “Hampden Herford”, hit by zwo AAA and one Ground-MG.
The pilot was such as the glaring lightning, so he must crashed. Later the pilot confirm this. The Pilot was wounded hit on his pelvis, died later in the hospital. His brother was found died in the broken a/c next day.
One crewmember was woundet too, but alive.

summary: 2 KIA (Pilot and his brother), 2 POW (1 WIA)

Hope to find now more details about the crew and his a/c.

Following the pictures from the crashed “Hampden Herford” on 09.August 1941 (look at the “R” on the left side of the picture !) Picture 2 + 3

Second picture from the “Halifax”, crashed on 16.September 1941, Picture 1

Guys – the aircraft in the first picture looks very much like a Whitley to me.

Regards
Elliott

From Bomber Command Losses 1941 by W R Chorley

8/9 August 1941 op Kiel the following a/c were lost over Germany:
Whitley Z6815 ZA-?, 10 Sqdn, lost in target area
Hampden X3127 QR-?, 61 Sqdn, believed crashed near Kiel
Hampden AE263 QR-?, 61 Sqdn, lost without trace

Also on same night on op to Hamburg
Wellington T2625 GR-B, 301 Sqdn, crashed just inside German territory opposite Dutch town of Nieuwe Schans (Groningen).

15/16 September 1941 on op to Hamberg the following a/c lost over Germany:
Stirling N6021 LS-O, 15 Sqdn, crashed at Hemslingen, 13 km ESE of Rotenburg
Halifax L9503 TL-P, 35 Sqdn, you already have details for this one
Whitley Z6957, 51 Sqdn, two died and buried in Hamburg, no location for crash
Wellington X3205 AA-?, 75 Sqdn, crashed in target area
Wellington X9759 AA-?, 75 Sqdn, crashed near Hartenholm
Hampdon AE232 ZN-?, 106 Sqdn, crashed Wilhelmsberg
Wellington R1015 KX-L, 311 Sqdn, crashed Andervenne
Hampden AE249 UB-?, 455 Sqdn, crashed Winkeldorf

@ archieraf:

Do you have a list of crashed a/c on 15 / 16 September 1941 and 08 / 09 August 1941 during the raid of Kiel?

maybe it is no Halifax on the picture (first large picture)? the reporter wrote in 1941, it is a Halifax…

Thanks for the information !
That is what I need 🙂

Best Regards from Germany !

Nils

Sgt N Moores was onboard Whitley V Z6815 ZA-? of 10 Squadron which took off from Leeming at 2154 on an op to Kiel on the night of 8/9th August 1941. The aircraft crashed in the target area killing all onboard.

The other members of the crew were:
P/O M Littlewood
Sgt E Bayley
P/O J E Evans
Sgt R T Timms

Moore, Littlewood, Bayley and Timms are all buried in Kiel War Cemetery. P/O Evans has no known grave (in other words, his body was never recovered).

The Pilot, P/O M Littlewood was a Canadian. His brother, a Navigator with 410 Sqdn, also died during the war and is buried in the UK.

I have only one name from the pilot of the Halifax (Brown)

Maybe it is “Norman Moores” 10th Sqdn. ID 1304369 ? He is in my list of killed crews on this day.

Hi Pathfinder.

The Squadron code for 61 Squadron was ‘QR’ – possibly the letter ‘R’ seen in the photograph is from part of the Squadron code on the fuselage?

Do you have names for any of the men killed in the Hampden? I can’t see a record of two brothers being killed on this date in my records. As far as I can see, there was only one man killed onboard Hampden X3127 and that was the Air Gunner, Sgt Nuttall RNZAF.

Sorry, but I must correct and complete my data about the crash on 09.August 1941:

The crashed a/c was a “Hampden Herford”, hit by zwo AAA and one Ground-MG.
The pilot was such as the glaring lightning, so he must crashed. Later the pilot confirm this. The Pilot was wounded hit on his pelvis, died later in the hospital. His brother was found died in the broken a/c next day.
One crewmember was woundet too, but alive.

summary: 2 KIA (Pilot and his brother), 2 POW (1 WIA)

Hope to find now more details about the crew and his a/c.

Following the pictures from the crashed “Hampden Herford” on 09.August 1941 (look at the “R” on the left side of the picture !) Picture 2 + 3

Second picture from the “Halifax”, crashed on 16.September 1941, Picture 1

15/16th September 1941

35 Squadron Halifax I L9503 TL-P on op to Hamburg took off 1955 Linton on Ouse. P/O Brown (Pilot) killed. 6 members of the crew POW.

From W R Chorley Bomber Command Losses 1941

From the 35 Sqdn ORB
Four aircraft took off from Linton on Ouse to attack a target at Hamburg. The weather and visibility were excellent, with no cloud. Level attacks were delivered by three aircraft, from heights between 20,000 and 14,500 ft, bomb bursts and burning incendiaries being observed, and two fires started which were visible at eighty miles distant. Searchlight, but no A.A. fire opposition was encountered. Three aircraft returned safely to base. The fourth aircraft, Captain P/O Brown, was not heard of again and is now officially reported ‘Missing’.

On 19th October 1941 35 Squadron were informed by the International Red Cross that P/O H S Brown had been killed and that the remainder of the crew were POW’s.

thanks for posting !

here the actually data of my research:

I need informations about two crashed aircrafts on the raid to Kiel:

Crashdate: 15. / 16.09.1941
Time of crash: 21.30 Uhr
Crew: 1 KIA (Pilot) other POW (Pilot= H.S.Brown, 35th Squadron ??)
Aircraft: Halifax (?)

Crashdate: 09.08.1941
Time of crash: 02.30 Uhr
Crew: 2 KIA (Pilot and his brother) 2 POW
Aircraft: Hampden Herford (?)

Have the exactly locations and hope to find here the aircrafts with this crews…

pictures of the crashed from 1941 follows in the next time !

In addition to the info provided by Flood from Bomber Command Losses, the following from For Your Tomorrow by Errol W Martyn.

Hampden I X3127 – Raid on Kiel by 54 aircraft, 5 lost. Brought down by flak after being coned by searchlights during its run in to target. Air Gunner, Sgt Alfred NUTTALL RNZAF – killed. Aircraft crashed with all onboard at Lindau, 11km SW of Kappeln to the NW of the target area. Sgt Nuttall was originally buried in the Garrison Cemetery at Keil and later reinterred in Kiel War Cemetery. The remaining three members of the crew were taken POW.

9/8/1941 – all of 61Sqn
X3127 believed crashed near Kiel: 3 crew PoW, 1 buried in Keil War Cemetery.
AE259 was fired upon by an Alied convoy, belly landed near Fosdyke at 05:30hrs, on the bank of the River Welland.
AE263 lost without trace.
16/9/1941 – probably the Hamburg raid, but none have the same crash location.
Info from Bomber Command Losses 1941.

Flood