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New 737s for bmibaby

http://www.bmibaby.com/bmibaby/en/index.aspx?p=43&cf=news&ID=302&year=all&month=all&pagenumber=0

Expect these will be based at BHX and MME, can’t see much hope for the other 3 bases though; most CWL routes within range limit of ATR-42s are being operated by 6G “on behalf” of baby (basically baby don’t want to know any more but can’t face the embarrassment of pulling out after all the promises they made), EMA which was allways going to remain there main base even when BHX opened has seen routes cut while MAN has been pretty flat development wise for a while. If only i could believe their promises – i’ve lost total confidence with them due to their attitude towards CWL. They arrive at CWL making loads of promises, and the routes are an instant success with most goin out at full capacity and capacity actually increased slightly due to demand. But as soon as they found their feet and were able to move into bigger places like MAN and BHX they just withdrew routes that had consistently been a success since launch. Then when people started moaning that they wern’t delivering, they agreed loads of partnerships with 6G so that 6G ATRs were used on loads of routes, all baby do are make the bookings. The Faro flight introduced this summer was only due to the fact that the aircraft would otherewise be idle. Now 6G want to expand independently they are having difficulty becasue all their aircraft are tied up in the parter routes. Oh how i hate baby right now! 😡

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By: Flex 35 - 8th May 2005 at 20:26

I really don’t think it would be a wise move to slap a 737 on it, and I really don’t think baby management would be even contemplating that. There’s far more money to be on the sunshine routes!

Yeah exactly, just members speculating without any real facts. :rolleyes:

You just have to look at Jet2, don’t think they are doing perticularly well on the MAN-EDI-MAN service, just 60-70 pax although this might have changed recently.

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By: by738 - 8th May 2005 at 19:18

But cheaper fares could perhaps create extra traffic and take more from the trains. Its worked on other routes.

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By: G-OJET - 8th May 2005 at 19:10

I highly doubt it, they wouldn’t be able to fill a B737 on the route.

A good indicator of this is the aircraft types used on the route. bmi use a ERJ-135/145 and BA use a Dash 8.

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Got to agree with you there. The GLA-MAN-GLA pencil jet service was very rarely full in recent years other than peak times (Monday mornings, Friday evenings etc).

I really don’t think it would be a wise move to slap a 737 on it, and I really don’t think baby management would be even contemplating that. There’s far more money to be on the sunshine routes!

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By: EK. - 8th May 2005 at 13:09

Well they did drop CWL-GLA for CWL-PIK which in my opinion was a bit stupid!

Have they lost passengers because of this?

Also CWL-PIK was soon after operated by 6G aircraft?

Got to agree with you here, GLA-CWL was 2daily 737 then they moved to PIK and its now a 1daily ATR.

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By: Flex 35 - 8th May 2005 at 12:43

Perhaps bmi baby would take the route over from bmi.

I highly doubt it, they wouldn’t be able to fill a B737 on the route.

A good indicator of this is the aircraft types used on the route. bmi use a ERJ-135/145 and BA use a Dash 8.

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By: Matt K - 7th May 2005 at 21:58

Whilst working at BHX, I think that bmibaby is a great airline with very few delays. They appear to be coping very well at BHX with friendly crew.

It would be great to see WW getting new aircraft like the 737-700 or even the A319. Some of their current 737’s are in need of a lick of paint. Check out G-BYZJ!

I can confirm that WW shall be basing 5 a/c at BHX from the 10th June to op the new services to Nice & Bordeaux.

For a laugh, I’m gonna fly on the recently announced…Newquay service from BHX. As I know a mate down there and also want the experience of flying bmibaby.

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By: Humberside - 6th May 2005 at 20:26

Perhaps bmi baby would take the route over from bmi

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By: Future Pilot - 6th May 2005 at 19:49

Good point lol

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By: Flex 35 - 6th May 2005 at 18:52

What would be the point starting MAN-GLA, when there competing directly with bmi, the airline that owns them?!

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By: PlymouthCity - 6th May 2005 at 18:15

There has been rumours going around that Bmibaby might be launching new routes connecting:

BHX-ABZ/GLA
MAN-GLA

I don’t think that the MAN-GLA route will happen but the BHX routes could be likely.
Maybe the aircraft will be used on these services.

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By: Spence_CWL - 6th May 2005 at 18:06

PlymouthCity, they took this decision because the landing fees at GLA became outrageously high, and in fairness i can vouch for that. But to limit the damage they agreed a years partnership with ScotRail or some major train company to provide free rail travel anywhere in Scotland if you flew into PIK with baby. It was a good idea, particularly because PIK has a direct rail link to the Scottish mainline, and worked with passenger numbers actually picking up slightly. But when that deal ended and no other incentives were introduced the numbers did gradually drop, to the point that they gave the route to 6G presumably because of the smaller aircraft. They said they were considering converting to PIK at EMA too, but never did, so once again CWL lost out. In the short term i expect focus to shift back to charter due to Thomsonflys huge expansion, but medium to long term scheduled is the way forward whether it be loco or full service, and I know management are working harder than ever to secure new routes now we are seriouly lagging behind BRS.

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By: Flex 35 - 6th May 2005 at 15:49

I still have many friends working at WW. Most of them say the delays are down to the fact that they inherited the fleet cast-off’s of bmi mainline. In the other words, the clapt out 737’s that main line didn’t want any longer.

Exactly, they also have recently inherited some “knackered” ex buzz (Ryanair) B733s, which are frequently going “tech”.

Don’t get me started about there uniform, if you could call it that.

I flew them in early January, one-way from BFS to MAN and paid quite a bit for the pleasure. They were not perticularly good, and I’ll try not to use them again in the future.

Get your act together bmibaby. :rolleyes:

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By: G-OJET - 6th May 2005 at 09:46

Yeah I know what you mean. Neglecting MAN too! 🙁

There punctuality from MAN is awful, they really need to sort it out.

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I still have many friends working at WW. Most of them say the delays are down to the fact that they inherited the fleet cast-off’s of bmi mainline. In the other words, the clapt out 737’s that main line didn’t want any longer.

Unfortunately, they’ve had some bad delays due to various objects and vehicles hitting their aircraft too.

As for the crew, from what I hear, its bad moral at most bases except EMA and BHX. Lets be honest, if any one of us had to wear their original uniform, we wouldn’t be happy either! Their crewing department mess them around a lot too.

I totally agree with an earlier comment about them not being cheap. I’ve often found the full service carriers are cheaper than bmibaby!

I would have hoped the new MD would sort them out a bit, but looks like things will be exactly the same.

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By: Future Pilot - 5th May 2005 at 22:36

BHX will be a 5 aircraft base this summer. Does that make them their biggest base in terms of aircraft based? What do have based at other airports?

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By: mmemovements - 5th May 2005 at 21:50

Yes it’s due to be G-TOYE

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By: bhx_spotter - 5th May 2005 at 21:21

At East mids there is a 733 parked in the small hanger OO-LTU which will probably be G-TOYE

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By: LBARULES - 5th May 2005 at 19:41

At least Baby appear to be sorting out the a/c shortages now, as said, I can see most of them going to BHX.

With Baby at CWL, thats why im so glad that LBA got Jet2, obviously very comitted, showing it even more with the launch of the Tenerife route.

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By: PlymouthCity - 5th May 2005 at 19:31

Well they did drop CWL-GLA for CWL-PIK which in my opinion was a bit stupid!

Have they lost passengers because of this?

Also CWL-PIK was soon after operated by 6G aircraft?

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By: Spence_CWL - 5th May 2005 at 19:26

Munich, Toulouse, Faro (although this was reintroduced this summer), Milan and plans to serve Barcelona, Nice and Murcia were dropped for no apparent reason when they got granted slots at MAN. Add to this Jersey, Glasgow Prestwick, Belfast, Cork and Paris all being operated by 6G

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By: SHAMROCK321 - 5th May 2005 at 19:18

What routes did WW drop from CWL???

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