October 9, 2007 at 5:43 pm
Apologises for posting this in here, but I felt that my post would get more responses in this thread than anywhere else, however, MODs please feel free to move this if deemed necessary!
After months of badgering them, my parents have said that they would be prepared to buy me a new camera for Christmas so that I can get use to it before I go on my holidays to Hawaii in July ’08.
I suppose the question I really need to ask myself is, what do I want a camera for?
Well, firstly I would like to be able to learn more about a cameras various features and functions, and learn how to take proper decent photos in general…and also to try my hand at producing some at least half-decent shots of aircraft if I can.
At present, I adopt a fairly careless ‘point and shoot’ attitude to photography (:o, hanging head in shame!), and although this has produced some good images of scenic views and stationary objects, the quality has not been wonderful, and when it comes to aircraft, well the results are disasterous becuase I either end up missing the a/c completley, or just get the front, middle or rear…!
With this is mind, I am looking for a reasonable camera that has a large optical zoom and is capable of producing some good quality images. Anything nowadays will be a vast improvement on what I already have, but I do not want something that is overly expensive or complicated to deal with, so this rules out a digital SLR at this stage. Budget would be around £180-£200max!
I have already been doing some research, and have a few cameras in mind, current favourite would be the Fujifilm FinePix S5700, but any further advice from some fellow forum members would be greatly appreciated.
By: Rickt - 11th October 2007 at 11:21
So an R6 and R7 is the same as an R5 but with a new name? Yeah It looks really good for my use think I will get one.
Thanks for showing
James
The R6 & R7 have a few addtional features, nothing which i think is worth the extra cash though.
Have a look online and do some comparing between the models to ensure its right for you.
Rick
By: Manston Airport - 11th October 2007 at 00:06
I think Jessops may still have it on Special… However, as the R6 and R7 have come out now, (not much improvement to be honest) you can pick up a R5 for £119.00 online..
It got some auto stabalise feature which works well and helps when using the zoom..
I was surpirised with the quality i was getting from Auto and the battery life is the best i have ever had.. I manage to get 250 photos the other day and the battery life was still showing full.
If your after a cheap compact for trips etc, and dont fancy taking the SLR its a real good buy!
Rick
So an R6 and R7 is the same as an R5 but with a new name? Yeah It looks really good for my use think I will get one.
Thanks for showing
James
By: Rickt - 10th October 2007 at 16:13
Rick, my mother would like to know where did you take those photos?!
These were taken in Huatulco, West Coast of Mexico.
Went with FCA from MAN to HUX.
Its a beautiful place!
Rick
By: cloud_9 - 10th October 2007 at 12:14
Thanks for all the replies and useful suggestions, keep them coming if you have any further advice/information!
Rick, my mother would like to know where did you take those photos?!
By: Rickt - 10th October 2007 at 10:24
I couldn’t agree more that pretty much any DSLR will blow the pants off point and shoots and the ‘megazoom’ cameras we see around now, but I would never recommend getting a DSLR unless you have some experience in photography already. Unless you have incredible natural talent (which I certainly don’t), you simply won’t get anything like the results the camera is capable of. I think it’s much better for anyone who’s thinking of getting even semi-seriously into photography to start off with a full function camera like the Fuji S5600, Canon S3 IS or similar, learn how the camera actually does what it does, learn the shooting modes and how they work, and then when you pick up a DSLR for the first time, you should already have enough knowledge to get instantly good results.
Paul
Sound Advice there Paul. Spot on.
RIck
By: PMN - 10th October 2007 at 09:10
Product Description: Canon Digital IXUS 960 IS – digital camera
Product Type: Digital camera – point and shoot
Dimensions (WxDxH): 9.6 cm x 2.8 cm x 6 cm
Weight: 165 g
Flash Memory: 32 MB
Supported Flash Memory: MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, SDHC Memory Card, MultiMediaCardplus
Sensor Resolution: 12.1 Megapixel
Shooting Modes: Frame movie mode
Lens Aperture: F/2.8-5.8
Focus Adjustment: Automatic
Min Focus Range: 50 cm
Focal Length: 7.7 mm – 28.5 mm
Optical Zoom: 3.7 x
Digital Zoom: 4 x
Image Stabiliser: Optical
Camera Flash: Built-in flash
Red Eye Reduction: Built-in
Microphone: Microphone – built-in – electret condenser – mono
Viewfinder: Optical – real-image zoom
Display: LCD display – Low Temperature Poly-Silicon (LTPS) – 2.5″ – colour
Supported Battery: 1 x Li-ion rechargeable battery ( included )
Not too good for aviation though, I wouldn’t have thought?
From my own experiences, I don’t think that any compact/bridge/superzoom digital camera can compare with a DSLR for aviation photography. It is only when you start challenging yourself to produce as near as possible definitive pictures that you realise what a unique photographic subject aviation is, even more so in my opinion, with digital.
Therefore I can’t honestly recommend a DSLR too highly to you, and whilst I am not a ‘Nikon man’ myself, yes, the D40X seems to be a very good starting point, but you have still got to factor in the cost of additional lens/lenses, which I think are not a standard fit across the Nikon range.
If I had to suggest a non-SLR camera to you, it would probably be e.g. a Panasonic FZ8 which is well within the budget you mention, or, although a bit more expensive, what about their newly released FZ18 with a whopping focal length?
Best of luck with your choosing,
Peter
I couldn’t agree more that pretty much any DSLR will blow the pants off point and shoots and the ‘megazoom’ cameras we see around now, but I would never recommend getting a DSLR unless you have some experience in photography already. Unless you have incredible natural talent (which I certainly don’t), you simply won’t get anything like the results the camera is capable of. I think it’s much better for anyone who’s thinking of getting even semi-seriously into photography to start off with a full function camera like the Fuji S5600, Canon S3 IS or similar, learn how the camera actually does what it does, learn the shooting modes and how they work, and then when you pick up a DSLR for the first time, you should already have enough knowledge to get instantly good results.
Paul
By: Rickt - 10th October 2007 at 08:18
Thats a Nice camera there Ricky Something I could get and use , But then I have to try and keep my hands still when taking pictures.May Sound stupid do they still sell it. If so where abouts Argos ,Jessops?
Regards
James
I think Jessops may still have it on Special… However, as the R6 and R7 have come out now, (not much improvement to be honest) you can pick up a R5 for £119.00 online..
It got some auto stabalise feature which works well and helps when using the zoom..
I was surpirised with the quality i was getting from Auto and the battery life is the best i have ever had.. I manage to get 250 photos the other day and the battery life was still showing full.
If your after a cheap compact for trips etc, and dont fancy taking the SLR its a real good buy!
Rick
By: Manston Airport - 9th October 2007 at 23:52
Thats a Nice camera there Ricky Something I could get and use , But then I have to try and keep my hands still when taking pictures.May Sound stupid do they still sell it. If so where abouts Argos ,Jessops?
Regards
James
By: Rickt - 9th October 2007 at 22:45
Caplio R5
I’m actually looking at getting a new camera myself, and have set my sights on this, the Ricoh_Caplio_R6.
It’s got a good resolution at 7.2 Mega pixels, 7.1 optical zoom (which is excellent considering how slim and compact it is), a good sized LCD screen and an easy to use interface.
Just to give you a little bit of info here on the Ricoh Caplio R5, I wanted a nice compact for my holiday with a decent optical zoom and around 7.0 mega pixels.
I paid £140 for it in May 2007. i had looked at this in Jan 07 but it was over budget for a “trip” camera, It was at £210 in Jessops around Jan, Feb 2007.
I saw a good deal on the Ricoh Caplio R5. The basic info is its got a 7.1 Optical Zoom, running at 7.0 Mega Pixels.
Specifications / Features:
7.0 Mega pixel CCD Sensor
7.1x Optical Zoom Lens f=4.6-33, 1:3.3-4.8 (28 – 200mm equiv.)
2.5″ TFT screen, 230,000 pixels
Vibration Correction (anti-shake CCD sensor)
3.6x Digital Zoom / Auto resize*
ISO AUTO, 64, 100, 200, 400, 800, 1600
Video mode: 640 x 480 pixels, 30 fps with sound
1cm Macro mode
Pictbridge support
10 Scene modes including: TIFF Text mode, Skew correction etc
2 Custom Scene modes
380 shot battery life
See the below website for the review..
http://www.digicamreview.co.uk/ricoh_caplio_r5_review.htm
Below are selection of photos i took with it.. (all photos are on AUTO, the reason for this was i picked the camera up on the morning i was going on holiday, i did not get chance to do any reading, just pointed and shot.)
ALL the below photos are in a RAW and not adjusted. With a bot of tweaking I’m sure you would be able to get these better.
Below is a selection of photos which show the level of detail of the camera on AUTO settings.


The Sea..


The below is taken from a Taxi doing about 30 MPH..

Water feature…

Below is the view from the Balcony window..

Below is using the Optical zoom to full.

Further photos below..

Cheers
Rick
By: Mr Angry - 9th October 2007 at 21:56
I use the Fuji S5600 and it is ok to get you used to adjusting various settings and the like if your planning on going DSLR (which i am) but dont expect it to work miracles it is a very, very noisy camera if the light is anything other than perfect

, shutter lag is not to bad but still not quite quick enough, and there is no image stabelisation so you need a steady hand.
Im not trying to trash your ideas but I was really excited about a 10x zoom but my sugestion would be bid £200 on a Dslr on Ebay and see what you can get
By: B77W - 9th October 2007 at 21:36

Product Description: Canon Digital IXUS 960 IS – digital camera
Product Type: Digital camera – point and shoot
Dimensions (WxDxH): 9.6 cm x 2.8 cm x 6 cm
Weight: 165 g
Flash Memory: 32 MB
Supported Flash Memory: MultiMediaCard, SD Memory Card, SDHC Memory Card, MultiMediaCardplus
Sensor Resolution: 12.1 Megapixel
Shooting Modes: Frame movie mode
Lens Aperture: F/2.8-5.8
Focus Adjustment: Automatic
Min Focus Range: 50 cm
Focal Length: 7.7 mm – 28.5 mm
Optical Zoom: 3.7 x
Digital Zoom: 4 x
Image Stabiliser: Optical
Camera Flash: Built-in flash
Red Eye Reduction: Built-in
Microphone: Microphone – built-in – electret condenser – mono
Viewfinder: Optical – real-image zoom
Display: LCD display – Low Temperature Poly-Silicon (LTPS) – 2.5″ – colour
Supported Battery: 1 x Li-ion rechargeable battery ( included )
By: pixelPete - 9th October 2007 at 21:08
From my own experiences, I don’t think that any compact/bridge/superzoom digital camera can compare with a DSLR for aviation photography. It is only when you start challenging yourself to produce as near as possible definitive pictures that you realise what a unique photographic subject aviation is, even more so in my opinion, with digital.
Therefore I can’t honestly recommend a DSLR too highly to you, and whilst I am not a ‘Nikon man’ myself, yes, the D40X seems to be a very good starting point, but you have still got to factor in the cost of additional lens/lenses, which I think are not a standard fit across the Nikon range.
If I had to suggest a non-SLR camera to you, it would probably be e.g. a Panasonic FZ8 which is well within the budget you mention, or, although a bit more expensive, what about their newly released FZ18 with a whopping focal length?
Best of luck with your choosing,
Peter
By: Lawndart - 9th October 2007 at 20:19
I must admit, I know little about photography, but would like to learn sometime. I’ve picked out the Ricoh Capilo up there as I’m looking for something that I can slip in my pocket to take on holidays, weddings and so forth, so producing professional aviation shots isn’t exactly a high priority with the camera I’m shopping for at the moment.
However, I may well invest in a Nikon D40X as a Christmas present to myself, as according to the reviews I’ve read, it does feature a lot of automation to help you get good shots while your learning, and gives you the option to control the settings manually when you start getting to grips with what your doing. From my understanding, it’s a beginners SLR if there is such a thing.
By: tenthije - 9th October 2007 at 20:14
Show me a cheap-ish camera with the equivalent of a 6mm lens and a free Canon 30D and Sigma 50-500 will be on their way to you!
Great… now I will be spending the whole vacation trying to find a camera with a zoomrange I just made up to make a point. You owe me a new holiday! 😀
By: PMN - 9th October 2007 at 20:01
a lense with 6-60 mm is kind a useless for aviation.
Show me a cheap-ish camera with the equivalent of a 6mm lens and a free Canon 30D and Sigma 50-500 will be on their way to you!
While you’re technically absolutely correct, Peter, I think it’s fair to say that the vast majority of consumer mega-zoom cameras will give the user a reasonably useful range for shooting aviation.
Paul
By: tenthije - 9th October 2007 at 19:41
Will £200 not even get me a camera with 10x optical zoom?!
The Fujifilm FinePix S5700 I saw was advertised at £140, which was ideal I thought?!
The thing is, 10x optical zoom does not necessarily mean it is great for aviation photography. A lense with 30-300 mm is great, a lense with 6-60 mm is kind a useless for aviation, yet both are 10x zoom. Besides, on compacts like those you also got shutter lack to deal with. Light strength is also important to check.
Now I must admit not knowing this camera myself. It might be perfect. All I am telling is not to go crazy over official specifications without actually trying it.
By: cloud_9 - 9th October 2007 at 19:11
200 pounds is not a lot of money for a good camera with a lot of zoom. Are 2nd hand options acceptable?
Will £200 not even get me a camera with 10x optical zoom?!
The Fujifilm FinePix S5700 I saw was advertised at £140, which was ideal I thought?!
By: tenthije - 9th October 2007 at 18:44
200 pounds is not a lot of money for a good camera with a lot of zoom. Are 2nd hand options acceptable?
By: Lawndart - 9th October 2007 at 17:51
I’m actually looking at getting a new camera myself, and have set my sights on this, the Ricoh Capilo R6. It’s got a good resolution at 7.2 Megapixels, 7.1 optical zoom (which is excellent considering how slim and compact it is), a good sized LCD screen and an easy to use interface.