New "Dambusters" film in "Sunday Express"

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I can tell you for absolutely certain it wasn’t!!

Well maybe not written off but I remember it at Duxford looking worse than the Emil in the Bob Hangar.

Sorry Mark,

Didn’t realise that your link actually DID contain CGI Lancs, which obviously is relevant to the thread.

The weather is so foul here at present, we get a little crabby!

considering the Buchon was written off during the making of Pearl Harbour I’m glad they didnt use a real 109 or BOB spit.

I can tell you for absolutely certain it wasn’t!!

No need to get knickers into twists. It is fairly obvious that Mark was taking the weewee even before his link proved to be something else.

You will not see footage from the film prouction for a very long time, that is how they work here. If actual rushes made it to YouTube there would be seriously career-ending court cases brought fairly swiftly. As has happened before in the NZ film industry.

Yup, that clip is of the commercially available Lancaster add-on for Microsoft’s FS2004 by ‘Just Flight’, though the online downloadable payware Lancaster from ‘Plane Design’ is much better!

Still, nothing even remotely approaching film quality in CG rendering, anyway.

well yes, it was meant to be both amusing and interesting, hopefully at least for some people, as it was actually a clip of computer generated Lancasters flying, including Dam Busters, and a Hercules engined Mark II, , somehow instead the link is now pointing at a clip from the “Windsor Historical Society”? and the flying Lanc in Canada, which is a worthy subject but of course makes no sense at all in regard to this thread or the title of my link.

so yes , – reference to the movie was misleading, For those who I have wasted their precious time, I am truelly sorry for you,

For those who aren’t quite so precious, hopefully the clip below will be of interest and perhaps amusing in light of this thread’s concern on CGI.

The clip is titled “Lancaster” from “justflight” and runs for 1.47 minutes, it contains CGI lancasters either from various flightsims or someones own private efforts, in any case interesting to me to see how such graphics are progressing in their animations and accuracy/otherwise, but again, it is not really from the movie!

however if that is not of ANY interest to you,
please – WARNING! –
do not click on the link,
your time will be wasted!,
and your life therefore shorted by nearly two minutes!
and please smile,
as there is certainly more to life
than sitting online on a computer in the first place!

for those still willing to risk those two minutes of life, here again is an attempt at that link!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfPT0Uxahiw&v3

I discovered the link is storing my original youtube search string which is why it was pointing at th wrong clip, I have now edited the link to be correct.

Here is the label explaining the background to the clip, and it is indeed from flightsim software.

The Avro Lancaster is probably the most iconic heavy bomber of WWII and rates alongside the Spitfire as one of the most recognised. The supreme combat aircraft designers at Aeroplane Heaven have carefully crafted this aircraft with due respect and memory to the tireless crews who flew in them. Lancaster is supplied in a variety of variants and liveries and all come with detailed crew stations that you can select to fly the aircraft from historic scenery of some of the more notable locations that the Lancaster is associated with is also included. Find out more at http://www.justflight.com

regards

Mark Pilkington

Its surprising what floats to the top when you stir the pot

Spurious links. Not necessarily always hilarious.

Agreed- pointless, and not even funny. Less of the time wasting, please. :rolleyes:

Well, that was two minutes of my time wasted.

Spurious links. Not necessarily always hilarious.

CGI “Rushes” of new Dambusters Movie????

smiles, stirs the pot and sits back to watch it brew

Mark Pilkington

So they are going to use some of those Liberators then.

Incidentally, when you’ve watched the video clip, watch ‘Combat America’, which is advertised afterwards. If you’ve never seen it, you’ll be surprised to see colour footage of Halifaxes landing at Bassingbourne. One of my relatives was on board one of these, they had run short of fuel after a long mission, it’s a long story but they were treated like royalty by Clark Gable himself who personally shot this bit of film, loads more of it must exist somewhere, but where do you find it.

CGI “Rushes” of new Dambusters Movie????

smiles, stirs the pot and sits back to watch it brew

Mark Pilkington

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Obviously I would prefer rather no accidents at all, but considering the Buchon was written off during the making of Pearl Harbour I’m glad they didnt use a real 109 or BOB spit.

Good lord! I have a question – what factual Naval Encounter is this travesty meant to represent? I would have hoped it would have been as accurate as that well known British naval epic, “Carry on Jack” which showed amongst other laudable facts captured Spanish Ships of the line being brought home to Blighty by 4 crewmen each, frigates leaving harbour under NO sail, and a flogging didnt really hurt if you wore a string vest!

Seriously, I think a British strenghth is the ability to laugh at ourselves, and we are in danger of becoming as “touchy” as a lot of others are, Its a FANTASY movie, this is like complaining the Ghosts are not accurate, or Davy Jones tentacles are the wrong shape!633

I agree with this, it is complete fiction. an excellent movie for what it is. if people thought it was a “travesty” then why has it made more money in its first week than any other film there has ever been? :p :rolleyes: back to the thread though, if peter jackson is making it then it will be excellent and as true to the original, as is humanely possible

NaShIo:D

The original Dambusters was a box office hit in the U. K. and the Commonwealth, but a dismal failure in the U.S. I am sure this will have figured somewhere in the funding of the remake.

Cheers

633

Has anyone considered that the US cinema audience might be more sophisticated than some give them credit for? ‘Flyboys’ was a dismal failure everywhere, after all.

Originally Posted by Graham Adlam
My latest spat with a film and you’ll probably all laugh was the new pirates of the Caribbean, I know its just a fun film but seeing a British 98 gun First rate ship of the Line, sunk at a single pass by a couple of mangy pirate ships without returning a single shot and then the whole British fleet turn tale and run was too much to bear. Any Pirate that came within half a mile of such a magnificient Ship or even a frigate for that matter with an 19th Century British crew would be a foolish boy.Why does Hollywood insist on making us Brits the butt of all their films surely they can make a good film without insulting our ancestors. Nelson must be turning over in his grave.

Good lord! I have a question – what factual Naval Encounter is this travesty meant to represent? I would have hoped it would have been as accurate as that well known British naval epic, “Carry on Jack” which showed amongst other laudable facts captured Spanish Ships of the line being brought home to Blighty by 4 crewmen each, frigates leaving harbour under NO sail, and a flogging didnt really hurt if you wore a string vest!

Seriously, I think a British strenghth is the ability to laugh at ourselves, and we are in danger of becoming as “touchy” as a lot of others are, Its a FANTASY movie, this is like complaining the Ghosts are not accurate, or Davy Jones tentacles are the wrong shape!

Dave,

Thanks for your comments about the Filming in New Zealand, I for one am looking forward to this Movie, and I am sure it will be great.

Lastly,

The original Dambusters was a box office hit in the U. K. and the Commonwealth, but a dismal failure in the U.S. I am sure this will have figured somewhere in the funding of the remake.

Cheers

633

My understanding was that the few Americans that flew in the RAF RCAF before the US entered the war had to become British or Canadian nationals or it would have breached American neutrality.

While technically correct…most Americans, like Mustang ace Don Gentile or little known (but the author of a neat book) RCAF ferry pilot turned test pilot Charles Klessig, did not give up citizenship.
It seems, no one really pressed the issue.

My latest spat with a film and you’ll probably all laugh was the new pirates of the Caribbean, I know its just a fun film but seeing a British 98 gun First rate ship of the Line, sunk at a single pass by a couple of mangy pirate ships without returning a single shot and then the whole British fleet turn tale and run was too much to bear. Any Pirate that came within half a mile of such a magnificient Ship or even a frigate for that matter with an 19th Century British crew would be a foolish boy.Why does Hollywood insist on making us Brits the butt of all their films surely they can make a good film without insulting our ancestors. Nelson must be turning over in his grave.

Not really much fact in these films to get a toehold on really. True, the rater that was blown up after a single pass on the beams by two fairly derelict vessels was a bit ridiculous, but if you start questioning things like this you fairly quickly reach issues such as ‘what was the East India Company doing with a 100 gun 3-decker anyway?’, ‘how did they get the guns to that degree of elevation when they were halfway down a whirlpool?’ ‘just which direction was the wind coming from anyway?’ and, from the first film, ‘tell me how a light brig can handbrake turn by dropping anchor at full speed without tearing the sticks out?’ Oh, and just why did that guy have tentacles on his face again?? Best to suspend disbelief altogether I think. Some of the pirates were also British, let’s remember.

I can’t think of anyone I’d rather oversee the ‘Dam Busters’ project than Jackson, he has done more than anyone recently to show that you can make fantastic films with popular and critical appeal, and still be faithful to your source material.

Well said Dave.

When I posted that Universal were the distributers I wasn’t implying that made it “Hollywood”, just answering someones question. They recently distributed Hot Fuzz and you cant get much more British than that!

I for one can’t wait for this film.

Peter

And then let the moaning commence, as you can be sure that not everyone will be happy. 😉 Provided there are no absolute howlers I am sure I will be happy, as will 99.95% of the audience.

In a similar vein I remember that when “Master & Commander” was being filmed which admittedly was only loosely based on various factual events combined with the 20 book series, the Patrick O’brian (author) websites were working themselves into a lather on similar issues particularly when they heard Russell Crowe was the lead, and people were saying Nelson would turn in his grave etc. When it came out it was probably the most authentic film of its genre ever made and the critics were forced to reconsider. After three years of further analysis by the self appointed experts on those websites very little has been found to be wrong with it within the limitations of a 2 hour film and the concesus is that Russell Crowe played Jack Aubrey very well. The film had links with & was distributed by Miramax, Universal & 20th Century Fox

Good historical films can happen even when funded by Hollywood, and if you have never seen the Worlds Fastest Indian (about an old boy and his motorbikes) as mentioned previously you really should, as it is rather good, and never got the distribution it deserved.

Lets wait and see about this one 😀

Well said Dave!

I think the problems you have described really originate from the British Press and various writers of letters to newspapers who have become obsessed with the idea that the new “Dambusters” film is going to be “Americanised”. There is absolutely no reason to believe this. The new film is a UK / NZ co -production and has got nothing to do with Hollywood.

What people forget is that the original movie wasn’t entirely accurate and the new version is likely to correct all the errors perpetrated in the original film.

Let’s wait till the film comes out before we judge it.

Best Wishes,

Colin

WELL BLOODY SAID, DAVE!!!

*applauds*