November 6, 2007 at 8:52 pm
Came across the following via another forum, thought it may be of interest:
THE French government is offering a supersonic Mirage jet bomber to the
Yorkshire Air Museum, near York, in recognition of the former RAF base’s
role in hosting the country’s bomber squadrons during the war.
Staff at the museum in Elvington hope to take delivery next year of the
Mirage IV strategic bomber – considered by some to be France’s most
successful military aircraft.
The huge delta-winged plane is 77ft long and 39ft wide, weighs 31 tonnes and
can fly at speeds up to Mach 2.2 – about 1,100 mph.
If the museum gets it, the plane will be the only Mirage IV on display in
Britain.
Museum director Ian Reed, said today the Queen and Gordon Brown had both
thrown their support behind the plans, along with about 30 MPs including
York’s Hugh Bayley.
He said the offer was intended to recognise the Allied Air Forces Memorial
at Elvington and the significant role played by the former RAF base played
during the Second World War, when French heavy bomber squadrons were based
there.
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He said: “Two thousand Frenchmen were based at Elvington or “La Petit
France” as it was known. The young French aviators – some as young as 14 –
were well known in and around York and at such places as Betty’s Café, in St
Helen’s Square. Here they congregated with airmen from all over the free
world, but, inevitably, very many did not return to their homeland.”
In a letter sent to the museum last week, French Air Force general Pierre
Boé, who was a pilot stationed at the airbase during the war, said: “I was
always surprised during the war to hear the local York people and Government
authorities say thank-you’.
“Rather, I believe it was up to us, the French, to tell our British hosts
that they had done an absolutely inestimable service in helping us to
restore our mother country’s honour.”
Mr Reed said the Minister of State for Defence, Lord Drayson, had asked the
chief of the air staff, Air Marshall Sir Glenn Torpy, to help assist the
transfer from the French Air Force, and the British Embassy in Paris had
been active in discussions.
He said Lewis Clarke, of the Foreign and Commonwealth Office, had said he
would welcome the transfer of the Mirage lV as a gesture of friendship and
therefore “beneficial to bilateral relations between the UK and France”.
Lord Drayson said: “We believe that such a historically significant aircraft
will make a fine addition to the Allied Air Forces Memorial at Elvington and
the national collection.”
Mr Reed said: “At this time of annual remembrance, it is heart-warming to
know our French allies still hold dear the significant part played by
Elvington and York in the restoration of France after the Second World War,
with the Halifax bombers of the Elvington squadrons becoming the basis of
the current French air force.”
By: Bager1968 - 30th May 2013 at 08:39
There is an old saying, which relates to A-5 vs MiG-15 vs F-15 vs F-14 vs Su-27 vs MiG-29 as well.
“similar performance requirements create similar aerodynamic solutions, because physics remains the same.”
By: Fouga23 - 29th May 2013 at 12:25
Was’t the Eurofighter Typhoon started as a project including France? After which they went their own separate way with the Rafale, hence the similar looks?
By: j_jza80 - 29th May 2013 at 10:57
“aesthetics” don’t matter a bit with a combat aircraft, only with “all show no go” art displays.
If you don’t enjoy the aesthetics of aircraft, you’re probably on the wrong forum.
They got the aerodynamic shaping correct, that’s the important part… and it still looks much prettier than the Eurofighter Typhoon.
why are you involving Typhoon? I was comparing Dassault products, there’s no denying that the Rafale is ugly compared to the Mirage Delta line.
Actually, now that you’ve involved Typhoon, I’d say it looks like a evolution of the stunning mirage line.
By: Bager1968 - 29th May 2013 at 05:36
Shame they got the aesthetics so wrong on the Rafale 🙁
“aesthetics” don’t matter a bit with a combat aircraft, only with “all show no go” art displays.
They got the aerodynamic shaping correct, that’s the important part… and it still looks much prettier than the Eurofighter Typhoon.
By: j_jza80 - 28th May 2013 at 23:05
JZA – I think the Mirage 4000 whilst never entered service had the edge on the IV !
I love the 4000, but still prefer the IV (just)
Shame they got the aesthetics so wrong on the Rafale 🙁
By: Wyvernfan - 28th May 2013 at 22:18
That’s welcome news 🙂
Easily the best looking French aircraft of all IMO.
Totally agree. Absolutely stunning aeroplane.
Rob
By: David Burke - 28th May 2013 at 21:12
JZA – I think the Mirage 4000 whilst never entered service had the edge on the IV !
By: Blue_2 - 28th May 2013 at 20:46
…which is why it’s still the other side of La Manche…
By: Mr Merry - 28th May 2013 at 19:14
Transporting it will cost a packet!
By: j_jza80 - 28th May 2013 at 19:12
That’s welcome news 🙂
Easily the best looking French aircraft of all IMO.
By: ianf - 28th May 2013 at 18:41
Yes there is truth to this. The museum has been given a Mirage IV when it will arrive though no one can tell you that. Its supposed to be a few steps closer to happening. but I’m not aware of any arrival date.
By: j_jza80 - 28th May 2013 at 17:40
Bringing this back from the dead, I was at the Yorkshire Air Museum today, and overheard someone saying that there is a Mirage IV coming to Elvington, but it’s currently in storage in France. Is there any truth to this?
By: David Burke - 6th November 2007 at 22:58
Have a look at how much British hardware is in French museums !
By: RPSmith - 6th November 2007 at 22:03
That is great news. My hopes that we might see one preserved in the UK were beginning to fade.
Cosidering how close a neighbour and ally France is/has been we do not have a great deal of French military hardware in the UK museums (excepting Mystere IVa) – I’ve always wanted an Ouragon over here 🙂
Roger Smith.