New Planned Recovery of a Spitfire MK9..

Yes what you are missing here is that there are many people who ‘get off’
in stopping things happening so anything that helps their argument is all to their good.

Graham

Yes, your right. Its the undersea version of a bat colony, or newts in a pond.

Richard

Yes what you are missing here is that there are many people who ‘get off’
in stopping things happening so anything that helps their argument is all to their good.

Graham

Yes, your right. Its the undersea version of a bat colony, or newts in a pond.

Richard

Are these excavations done in a rush as they never seem like a ‘Time Team’
excavation? Perhaps they are under the constant threat of a desk bound twonk
trying to stop it?

Graham

You’ve never been on a Time Team dig, then?!! ;):D

Trying to recover anything from anywhere these days is an uphill struggle, believe me!

Finding anything and recovering it is the easy part. The hard part is the paperwork and jumping through all the hoops. The fainthearted would simply give up and baulk at the first paperwork hurdle; project design, method statements, environmental impact studies, archaeological assesments, risk assesments etc etc etc

Are these excavations done in a rush as they never seem like a ‘Time Team’
excavation? Perhaps they are under the constant threat of a desk bound twonk
trying to stop it?

Graham

You’ve never been on a Time Team dig, then?!! ;):D

Trying to recover anything from anywhere these days is an uphill struggle, believe me!

Finding anything and recovering it is the easy part. The hard part is the paperwork and jumping through all the hoops. The fainthearted would simply give up and baulk at the first paperwork hurdle; project design, method statements, environmental impact studies, archaeological assesments, risk assesments etc etc etc

Am I missing something here. If a wreck containing fluids is left on the sea bed inevitably, at some time in the future, the fluids will leak out when the tanks rot/corrode/rust through. When that happens no one would notice or care.
Alternatively if the wreck were to be recovered then surely measures can be taken to contain fuel or oil as part of the task.
Richard

Yes what you are missing here is that there are many people who ‘get off’
in stopping things happening so anything that helps their argument is all to their good.

Graham

Am I missing something here. If a wreck containing fluids is left on the sea bed inevitably, at some time in the future, the fluids will leak out when the tanks rot/corrode/rust through. When that happens no one would notice or care.
Alternatively if the wreck were to be recovered then surely measures can be taken to contain fuel or oil as part of the task.
Richard

Yes what you are missing here is that there are many people who ‘get off’
in stopping things happening so anything that helps their argument is all to their good.

Graham

Am I missing something here. If a wreck containing fluids is left on the sea bed inevitably, at some time in the future, the fluids will leak out when the tanks rot/corrode/rust through. When that happens no one would notice or care.
Alternatively if the wreck were to be recovered then surely measures can be taken to contain fuel or oil as part of the task.
Richard

Am I missing something here. If a wreck containing fluids is left on the sea bed inevitably, at some time in the future, the fluids will leak out when the tanks rot/corrode/rust through. When that happens no one would notice or care.
Alternatively if the wreck were to be recovered then surely measures can be taken to contain fuel or oil as part of the task.
Richard

Are these excavations done in a rush as they never seem like a ‘Time Team’
excavation? Perhaps they are under the constant threat of a desk bound twonk
trying to stop it?

Graham

Are these excavations done in a rush as they never seem like a ‘Time Team’
excavation? Perhaps they are under the constant threat of a desk bound twonk
trying to stop it?

Graham

Hallgeir, would it be possible that you write for us a sum up of the article in english ?

happymeal, check: http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adressa.no%2Fnyheter%2Fsortrondelag%2Farticle1686639.ece

Hallgeir, would it be possible that you write for us a sum up of the article in english ?

happymeal, check: http://translate.google.fr/translate?hl=fr&sl=no&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.adressa.no%2Fnyheter%2Fsortrondelag%2Farticle1686639.ece

Hallgeir, would it be possible that you write for us a sum up of the article in english ?

Hallgeir, would it be possible that you write for us a sum up of the article in english ?

I am surprised this has not been mentioned.

Well actually Spitfire IX MK997 in Norway

According to the latest Classic Wings anyway…

“Wreckage of Spitfire MK997 to be recovered from a lake in Norway where it crashed on August 4th 1950 killing Pilot 2nd Lt. Finn Thorstensen. However wreckage in 7 bits and will be displayed ‘as is‘ at proposed Warbirds of Norway Museum.”

This was coded: A-CP MK997 and w/o 4 Aug 1950 inj Lake Samsjøen

She may be the second one here

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?p=743797

BTW The same Classic Wings also mentions a new Norway Sea Find of a FW190 and ‘new wreckage of BF109E’ – the later is quite substantial

In Norwegian, but still quite informative 🙂
UpdateHERE

I am the diver that found the wreckage. We are still missing the engine and cockpit. But we are homing it in, and still optimistic on planning a full recovery operation this time next year:p The pilot will probably be taken up this weekend and will be buried aside his parents nearby his hometown.

I am surprised this has not been mentioned.

Well actually Spitfire IX MK997 in Norway

According to the latest Classic Wings anyway…

“Wreckage of Spitfire MK997 to be recovered from a lake in Norway where it crashed on August 4th 1950 killing Pilot 2nd Lt. Finn Thorstensen. However wreckage in 7 bits and will be displayed ‘as is‘ at proposed Warbirds of Norway Museum.”

This was coded: A-CP MK997 and w/o 4 Aug 1950 inj Lake Samsjøen

She may be the second one here

http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthread.php?p=743797

BTW The same Classic Wings also mentions a new Norway Sea Find of a FW190 and ‘new wreckage of BF109E’ – the later is quite substantial

In Norwegian, but still quite informative 🙂
UpdateHERE

I am the diver that found the wreckage. We are still missing the engine and cockpit. But we are homing it in, and still optimistic on planning a full recovery operation this time next year:p The pilot will probably be taken up this weekend and will be buried aside his parents nearby his hometown.

Wow what recovery was that ? I can see a roundel !

MA764/G-MCDB + approx 20 gallons of 100 octane.

Mark

Just browsing through this thread and saw the mention of possible fuel contamination from the Spitfire wreck in the lake.

If I am not mistaken the main fuel tank(s) are there on the shore next to the memorial and look to be pretty empty to me.

Don’t know if the Mk.9 carried fuel in its inboard wing area but, judging by the airframe damage to what they have there I wouldn’t hold out much prospect of there being any of that left to bother them either.

Likewise the under-engine oil tank.

Just a thought.

Anon.

Don’t you believe it…..as Mark12 has amply illustrated, I think!!

Fuel (or oils) trapped in buried wreckages, or submerged wrecks, can be a not-insignificant factor during recoveries even when wrecks are badly smashed up.

Wow what recovery was that ? I can see a roundel !

Looks like they punctured a perfectly good fuel tank with that digger :eek::D:D

Not only that!! Someone is legging it with a perfectly good data plate :diablo::D:D:D

Sorry guys:D Back on topic!