New Star Wars, Anti Nuclear Ballistic Missile Defence System

Like any other western so called defence initiative it will be used for war.

It will be the defence shield from which the west can hide behind while they deny anybody else the capabilities they have had and used for more than half a century…

Oh my gosh!!! We would want the “west” to undermine countries and export its evil system of personal freedoms.😀

I’m sure the proletariat wouldn’t know what to do with the freedoms of speech, press, religion. And we all know how capitalism has worked out….mortages, cars, cell phones, colour TVs and hoilidays abroad make life much too complex for the peasants. They’re all happier working for the collective good of the people and so much better off having someone tell them what to do, what to think.

I haven’t hear costs mentioned yet, but that might be rather academic if the question is “Can we afford not to have such a system?”

Ah… but we still have plenty of schools and hospitals to close down in order to pay for such a grandiose project…

I was being sarcastic, as I thought your comments were rather amusing. It wasn’t my intention to be lofty or dismissive, especially with someone of your experience. I apologise, if it seemed I was being a bit off hand. I should have thought about inserting one of these 😀 . You do make a good point about ball bearings. As we know, any country with the know how, could do this quite easily. Only a few days ago, a Russian rocket booster, mysteriously exploded in space over Australia, distributing fragments in the process. Spaceweather.com showed pictures of this event, filmed by some astronomers.
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Ah, I understand now.

All is well. 🙂

Exactly!!! but MAD only applies to other Nations…not the sort of War we are facing into over the next decades..

What is the point of perpetuating the lie of an unbreachable defense?

We face far greater danger from the guy walking into a city centre with a dirty bomb in a suitcase.

Or are we looking at Mr Chaney’ s latest bad dream…a strong economically robust China with a strong military?

Yes, what is the point of perpetuating the lie, of an unbreachable defence?
MAD applies to World War three, in my books, which could easily start from the impending situation.
Perhaps that missile defence system, wasn’t such a good idea after all. 😮
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And I have given an example of a simple measure, well within the technical means of many nations, that could seriously imperil any space-based elements of such a system.

How sad that you have chosen to react in such a lofty and dismissive manner.

Never mind. 😎

I was being sarcastic, as I thought your comments were rather amusing. It wasn’t my intention to be lofty or dismissive, especially with someone of your experience. I apologise, if it seemed I was being a bit off hand. I should have thought about inserting one of these 😀 . You do make a good point about ball bearings. As we know, any country with the know how, could do this quite easily. Only a few days ago, a Russian rocket booster, mysteriously exploded in space over Australia, distributing fragments in the process. Spaceweather.com showed pictures of this event, filmed by some astronomers.
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I don’t think this comment is worthy of a reply. We are talking about a defensive shield, not Isaac Newton.

And I have given an example of a simple measure, well within the technical means of many nations, that could seriously imperil any space-based elements of such a system.

How sad that you have chosen to react in such a lofty and dismissive manner.

Never mind. 😎

I thought it’s purpose, was to protect the west from a pre emptive Nuclear attack. It wasn’t designed to protect countries, that aren’t in the firing line. In any case, where Nukes are concerned, MAD still applies. This defensive shield, might save our cities from destruction, but it wont save us from the effects of Nuclear fallout. So I don’t think, the U.S. would use it purely as a means, to wage Nuclear war. Remember, no one wins where Nukes are concerned.

Exactly!!! but MAD only applies to other Nations…not the sort of War we are facing into over the next decades..

What is the point of perpetuating the lie of an unbreachable defense?

We face far greater danger from the guy walking into a city centre with a dirty bomb in a suitcase.

Or are we looking at Mr Chaney’ s latest bad dream…a strong economically robust China with a strong military?

But Newton’s Laws of Motion are simple. :rolleyes:

I don’t think this comment is worthy of a reply. We are talking about a defensive shield, not Isaac Newton.
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Like any other western so called defence initiative it will be used for war.

It will be the defence shield from which the west can hide behind while they deny anybody else the capabilities they have had and used for more than half a century…

I thought it’s purpose, was to protect the west from a pre emptive Nuclear attack. It wasn’t designed to protect countries, that aren’t in the firing line. In any case, where Nukes are concerned, MAD still applies. This defensive shield, might save our cities from destruction, but it wont save us from the effects of Nuclear fallout. So I don’t think, the U.S. would use it purely as a means, to wage Nuclear war. Remember, no one wins where Nukes are concerned.

Possibly, however that’s looking at it in quite simplistic terms.

But Newton’s Laws of Motion are simple. :rolleyes:

Such as, for example, a few handfulls of deniable ball bearings put into the right orbit at the right velocity at the right time? :diablo:

Possibly, however that’s looking at it in quite simplistic terms. The United States military, would want a defensive system in place, that wouldn’t be vulnerable to this sort of thing. Therefore you can be sure, this system is sabotage proof. Slightly off subject, reading up on HAARP, just shows the complexity of scientific defensive systems, being devised for the US military.
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……. If the enemy found a way to destroy the Ballistic missile tracking satellites………

Such as, for example, a few handfulls of deniable ball bearings put into the right orbit at the right velocity at the right time? :diablo:

Like any other western so called defence initiative it will be used for war.

It will be the defence shield from which the west can hide behind while they deny anybody else the capabilities they have had and used for more than half a century…

I haven’t hear costs mentioned yet, but that might be rather academic if the question is “Can we afford not to have such a system?”

It will almost certainly be expensive, and we all know who will foot the bill. But as you say, better with than without. It’s a pity we don’t have any research and development in this country, to build our own. However, I think it would be in the americans interest, as well as our own, not to make it prohibitively expensive, if they want to sell it. One problem I see with a system such as this though, is it’s reliance on satellite technology. If the enemy found a way to destroy the Ballistic missile tracking satellites, the system may possibly become ineffectual, but that’s looking at it in simplistic terms.
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I haven’t hear costs mentioned yet, but that might be rather academic if the question is “Can we afford not to have such a system?”

I suppose that depends on who ‘we’ and ‘us’ are?

yes, I guess that’s the overriding factor in any defensive system. Assuming though, that this anti missile system has been shown to work, in computer simulations, it may not be such a bad thing. After all, we would be very foolish not to have a system in place, that at the very least, offers some protection from total annihilation.
I think it’s a good idea to have a system like this, because it would show the enemy, that his Nuclear ballistic missiles may not get through, while ours most certainly would.
Unless of course, he had a similar system, in which case the better of the two systems would prove the most effective. It may well be, that the final test of this technology, may not be a computer simulation.
Nothing new in this though, it’s all part of mankind’s development.
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I suppose that depends on who ‘we’ and ‘us’ are?