Norway is considering to purchase new submarines.
OSLO, Norway, March 8 (UPI) — Norway is seeking to collaborate with other countries to develop and build a new submarine, the Norwegian Ministry of Defense said.
The partnering would reduce Norway’s development costs for the vessel, which will replace the country’s Ula-class submarines.
“The Ministry of Defense is currently leading the work looking at procurement of new submarines, the ministry said. “The project is in its definition phase. This phase will be completed in the first half of 2016, when the external quality review is completed.”
No supplier for new submarine although discussions are being held with a number of shipyards.
The Ministry of Defense said discussions with several nations are also being held. Norway and Germany already have collaborated on submarines in the past, so “Germany is therefore a nation which it is natural for Norway to discuss a potential future submarine cooperation with.”
WARSAW, Poland — The Polish Ministry of National Defence is planning to launch a joint procurement with Norway under which Poland’s Navy would acquire three new submarines, and the Norwegian Navy a further six subs, according to Brigade Gen. Adam Duda, the head of the ministry’s Armament Inspectorate. The announcement comes following the signing of a deal on joint naval training activities by the two countries.
“The talks with our Norwegian counterparts regarding a joint submarine acquisition are quite advanced. We have compared our requirements, and they are compatible,” Duda told Polska Zbrojna, the official magazine of the Polish Armed Forces.
Potential contenders would include (I guess): Type 214 from Germany, A26 from Sweden, Scorpene from France.
One requirement will be AIP; in addition they want missiles integrated (perhaps NMS?). Also they say they want a “mature” design. The last point could potentially cause problems for the A26.
By: verbatim - 15th April 2016 at 20:44
The U212A should be almost a tailored soution for Norway, if they still hold as mission coastal interdiction.
Still they could opt for some larger displacement design, switching emphasis to open sea long patrols, and projects like U216 could become a viable option, the more so if integrating core technologies from U212A.
By: Fedaykin - 15th April 2016 at 12:47
dumb, they should’ve ordered Japanese submarines like Australia
As of yet Australia has not ordered a Japanese submarine, TKMS and DCNS are putting up strong bids.
By: Loke - 11th April 2016 at 13:33
Well, currently we are operating type 210 — perhaps we will in the future operate type 215 🙂
By: swerve - 11th April 2016 at 13:16
Norway doesn’t think it needs the range or endurance of the big Japanese subs. Something smaller is preferred.
AFAIK Type 214 is an export variant – as in export to countries not permitted to receive all the technology of the Type 212. In effect, that means countries that are neither NATO members nor other trusted allies. Norway can buy Type 212.
Note that Type 212 is built under licence by Fincantieri in Italy for the Italian navy.
By: Y-20 Bacon - 11th April 2016 at 04:52
dumb, they should’ve ordered Japanese submarines like Australia
By: Loke - 9th April 2016 at 21:44
Well it rather confirms they saw too much risk on the A26 from SAAB Kockums, it looks like they want a minimum risk hassle free procurement.
That was one reason, however two other reasons were that they prefer to buy from a big NATO country, not a small non-aligned country. However no doubt the fact that the A26 is not a ready product was probably by itself an important reason. The NH90 mess, and a few other similar purchases has probably made them very wary of buying products under development.
Isn’t the 212 not an export product per say from TKMS? I would guess a 214 variant would be the most likely option they would offer to Norway.
I am not really an expert on subs — according to Wiki (yes I know, not always a reliable source) it says:
The Type 214 submarine is derived from the Type 212,[2] but as an export variant it lacks some of the classified technologies of its smaller predecessor, the most important of which is probably the non-magnetic steel hull, which makes the Type 212 submarine difficult to detect using a magnetic anomaly detector.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_214_submarine
I don’t know if this is correct or not? The Norwegian Navy expects to get state-of-the-art systems and not something that has been downgraded.
By: Fedaykin - 9th April 2016 at 18:29
Well it rather confirms they saw too much risk on the A26 from SAAB Kockums, it looks like they want a minimum risk hassle free procurement.
Isn’t the 212 not an export product per say from TKMS? I would guess a 214 variant would be the most likely option they would offer to Norway.
By: Loke - 8th April 2016 at 17:40
Defensenews on the Norwegian submarine process:
I noticed this:
DCNS said it was offering it’s Scorpene submarine. Thyssen Krupp had no immediate comment.
My guess is that TKMS will offer the 212 — Or perhaps something newer?
By: Loke - 7th April 2016 at 15:41
Based on economic, industrial and military assessments, the Norwegian Ministry of Defence has concluded that the French company Direction des Constructions Navales Services (DCNS) and the German company ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems (TKMS) are the strongest candidates if Norway decides to procure new submarines. The Ministry of Defence has decided to focus our future efforts towards these two companies and their respective national authorities.
– Norway’s approach is to base an potential acquisition on an existing submarine design. We want to avoid a large development project with the risk, uncertainty and cost such a project entails. Our criteria is therefore that Norway’s future submarines shall be built by a shipyard that has a long and continuous experience in building submarines, says the Minister of Defence.
The Ministry of Defence has for several years worked to achieve cooperation with other nations with the aim of reducing the acquisition costs and in-service costs for future submarines. In parallel with work towards the shipyards, the process of seeking cooperation with non-submarine building nations planning a submarine acquisition will continue, primarily towards the Netherlands and Poland.
http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=3814
By: Loke - 7th April 2016 at 10:11
“[W]e are in dialogue with several countries, including Poland. There is no plan to launch a joint procurement with Poland at this stage, but Norway is hoping for a joint procurement on this acquisition. We are just not sure if this will be possible — and with whom yet,” Ann-Kristin Salbuvik, the assistant director general at the Norwegian Ministry of Defence, wrote in an email.
Salbuvik said that the talks with the Polish ministry are good, but that she would not use the word “advanced” to describe their current state.
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