New Tv series Air crashes of WW2 investigated

Got the reminder set. Thanks

Thank you for the feedback, it’s much appreciated.

If the ratings are good, then there is a possibility of a second series, but I won’t know for a few weeks. Tonight’s episode covers General Sikorski’s crash in Gibraltar.

Thanks again,

Garth.

I thought this week’s episode on the Sunderland crash, the best so far.
Spoilt only by the breathless narrator.

ditto the above, so high hopes for the last episode, will there be a 2nd series?

regards,
jack…

I thought this week’s episode on the Sunderland crash, the best so far.
Spoilt only by the breathless narrator.

Thank you.

The next episode (4) covers a C-47 crash in Naper, Nevada. This incident is known as the ‘Naper 28’ crash, after the loss of 28 airmen.

Episode 5 will be shown in January and covers the Duke Of Kent’s Short Sunderland crash in Scotland in which he and 14 others were killed.

Episode 6 is the last in the series and covers General Sikorski’s B-24 crash in Gibraltar in which he was killed.

I hope you enjoy them.

Garth.

Hello Garth – welcome to the forum. Are you able to tell us about the other incidents in the series please?

Well done Garth, nicely worded.

Good evening everyone,

Firstly, thank you for watching the series so far. If you’ve enjoyed it, then fantastic, but if you haven’t, then at least I hope its raised awareness for the many crew the died in training or transit. Let’s face it, how many TV series do you see regarding non-combat incidents or accidents? OTU’s or transit losses?

The series was hard work with very long days and at one point we had 27 international flights in 7 weeks. Australia, for example, was 33hrs there, film, then 33hrs back. But how can I moan when you hear what the crews went through, fighting for their/our country.
The series is aimed at a broad spectrum of viewers including family members of the crews, those with a vague interest in history to aviation experts (armchair or otherwise 🙂 ).

I’ve taken note of all the constructive criticism directed at me and will learn from it, and thank you to those on here that posted it. 😉

There was a lot of research done, and I mean a lot. I can understand some of you experts being critical, but when you have so much footage and data to fit into 43 minutes, it’s difficult to know what to leave in and what to leave out. It’s very difficult to get that balance. I am just the presenter, goodness knows how hard it was to edit the vast amount of footage we obtained. I have been inundated with thanks, but more so with requests for help, which I do for free and always have done.

Jettisoning: You’re right, W R Chorely’s book are and amazing resource, but remember, there were viewers who never even knew the books existed and by getting a mention they can start on their own research into their loved ones that perished in such incidents. There is a natural course for researching a crash, and that’s what I hoped that particular episode showed. I hope I didn’t frustrate you too much. 😉

SimonR: Those red herrings and the false jeopardy you speak of were legitimate arguments put forward in official documents and by the families of those who perished, which all needed addressing. 😉

Melvin: I did get your email and I’ll be in touch shortly. 🙂

Jack Windsor: Really, tell me more. 😉

Lastly, again, thank you for taking the time to watch the series so far and comment, and I certainly appreciate your feedback. :very_drunk:

Take care,

Garth.

Whilst I wouldn’t argue with all said above, we know this series is made for ‘general consumption’ and not just the well informed, so please let’s not be too harsh despite its tendency to try to weave mystery where it never before existed.

Quite so; whilst it may not please the specialist detailed knowledge of forumites, it is still streets ahead of 99% of the bilge that is peddled on tv these days.

To be honest I hoped for better, it gives the basic facts then he goes for a flight in a appropriate warbird, he’s visited the US, Australia so far- and being paid… (I wish I could persuade some production company…

anyway hope the rest of the series warms up and gets better.
regards
jack…

Garth Barnard’s website
http://garfybarnard.wix.com/aviationresearch

I’ve just got around to watching the second episode (Turweston Wellington Collision), and I was quite pleasantly surprised.
The crash site of BK272 is close to the route I used to drive on my weekly deliveries a number of years ago.

Seriously lacking I thought was a site investigation; a fieldwalk at both crash sites would have been better than the seemingly endless repetition of the key facts.

It seemed to be pretty good, but like jettisoning I was

…frustrated by the presenter and that woman doing the voice over… …and too much repetition. …if he is a serious investigator why not actually start with the CHORLEY losses…

I too was rather annoyed by the initial lack of reference to Chorley’s work. AND the silly female narrator referred to him as W H Chorley…
Perhaps the most annoying error (which caused me to yell loudly at the TV, sending both my cats running for cover) was when said silly narrator referred to the Wimpy’s construction as “geodesic.”

That said, I am in 100% agreement with Soggy – We should be grateful for programmes like these, despite the compromises made to get it to appeal to Joe Public.

Hi All,

Does anyone have Garth Bernard’s contact details please, I also live in Northamptonshire and would like to make contact with him.

Regards

Melvin

www.aircrewremembrancesociety.co.uk

Whilst I wouldn’t argue with all said above, we know this series is made for ‘general consumption’ and not just the well informed, so please let’s not be too harsh despite its tendency to try to weave mystery where it never before existed. The presenter and the researchers have undoubtedly had to work hard and tread lightly to get this series financed and produced, and probably make many compromises along the way in order to get these sacrifices known.

Yesterday is probably becoming more popular with many in this media idiocracy who have become disenchanted with the tens of alternative ‘light entertainment’ channels available on Freeview, and a little doubt and intrigue where none actually exists, should surely be forgiven if it gets the story told.

Sorry if this seems a bit of a sermon, no condescension intended.

Phil

wellingtons

i tried watching this prog last night ….. but i was most frustrated by the presenter and that woman doing the voice over – particularly the reading of the poem at the end . more like a good 10 minutes’ worth of interest and too much repetition ! if he is a serious investiagtor why not actually start with the CHORLEY losses – he got there in the end almost by accident . how often were we told about the 13 airmen who died ?

…you could call the series Much Ado About Nothing.

I thought the first episode about the B25 was one of the slowest-moving and most annoying bits of aviation journalism that I’ve seen on a long time. It was obvious from the start what the cause of the accident was and you could see that the programme maker had started there and worked backwards, trying to weave red-herrings and false jeopardy into the story. As a result of the crash the USAAF even changed the protocol for such training flights because they also knew that the crew didn’t know where they were. Not much of a mystery I’m afraid.

Can’t believe I watched it to the end in case there was any more to the story. I will not be wasting hard disk space on any more episodes.

Mildly interesting but you could call the series Much Ado About Nothing.

Generic talk about the obvious with no investigation. Bit disappointing but better than most of the rubbish on.

Having watched the first two episodes, they have left me somewhat underwhelmed.
I don’t think they have so much explained how or why these accidents happened, but thrown up
one or two more theories.

Strange no comments on the first two episodes.
First one. B25 fly’s into a mountain When it should not have been anywhere near it.
Second. Two wellingtons crash over Turweston. Initially blamed on the pilots, for not keeping a good look out.

Programmes explain why and how these accidents happened and the differences from the official reports.
I found both episodes interesting and informative.