New Year Resolutions – Historical Forum

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Taxiing replica

Graham
I am really in agreement that if you are the owner you can do what you like with the airframe and if restored you paint it in the way that you wish. Spitfire RW393 stood outside Turnhouse airport for many years in “bad” colour schemes but it was a real spitfire. It has been repainted and does not even bear its original serial, alothough to me it looks very authentic. The glass fibre replica now on display is again on a “bad” colour scheme but at least its a Spitfire that the public can see and perhaps a very small number will think of the pilots who died in similar aircraft. Some may also become aviation enthusiasts!!

So you dont really need to decide on your colour scheme yet. Of course you will need to decide what Mk you are making and what its modification state it needs to be in. That will to a certain extent drive what you decide to paint it as. If you want to make it yellow with pink spots I and many others would be unhappy but thats our problem not yours. I think what ever you do you be as authentic as possible.
PS any photos of your taxing Spitfire (reproduction?)

Here is a link i havent updated it for a while, if you see the film Pearl harbour you have seen here she did the ground shots as RF M not a film i would endorse Enjoy
http://www.spitfirespares.com/SpitfireSpares.com/Pages/simulators.html

Whilst not seeking to relive or extend this debate, it does seem strange, having probably gone to great lengths and expense to fully and properly restore the airframe – eg right fittings, right switches, right instuments, right seat, right junction boxes, right control column etc etc, then to swerve the last hurdle and not complete the inate “rightness” and authenticity of the restoration/recreation by finishing the last “layer” of the restoration ie the paintwork to the same high authentic standards as each underlying layer. (Sorry that para has a high Fog Index)

An authentic scheme costs no more than a scheme likely to create comments for the wrong reason – just perhaps a few hours or even minutes of research.

Nothing that I say challenges somebody’s right to paint their own property as they wish. it is merely an observation. I guess I’m talking about the colours and the way in which the scheme is applied rather than the scheme itself. Think CAF FM-2!

Graham
I am really in agreement that if you are the owner you can do what you like with the airframe and if restored you paint it in the way that you wish. Spitfire RW393 stood outside Turnhouse airport for many years in “bad” colour schemes but it was a real spitfire. It has been repainted and does not even bear its original serial, alothough to me it looks very authentic. The glass fibre replica now on display is again on a “bad” colour scheme but at least its a Spitfire that the public can see and perhaps a very small number will think of the pilots who died in similar aircraft. Some may also become aviation enthusiasts!!

So you dont really need to decide on your colour scheme yet. Of course you will need to decide what Mk you are making and what its modification state it needs to be in. That will to a certain extent drive what you decide to paint it as. If you want to make it yellow with pink spots I and many others would be unhappy but thats our problem not yours. I think what ever you do you be as authentic as possible.
PS any photos of your taxing Spitfire (reproduction?)

Martin, give me a shout nearer the time and if you’d like a lift to OW

Thanks mate, I will do it will be nice to see the place at last.

Ummmm

But if we pay good money to go and see these aircraft, some of which goes to the opertors. Then surely the operators could make the effort to get things exactly right 🙂

Yes i see your point about paintings in an art gallery they are there purely for their astetic value to be looked at, the paint on an aircraft is a very small part of its attraction so i think there is a distinction there. As far as us paying money to see an aircraft, i dont think that really gives us the right to expect the owner to paint it right. I bet thier isnt one single enthusiast out there who has rebuilt a warbird for profit, although undoubtably a good investment there are easier ways to make money. Even if you have deep pockets the comitment is enormous. Anyone thats read Peter Vs book can see the enormous ammount of grief he had just getting the thing out of india, let alone rebuilding, not that i am suggesting theres anything wrong with the paint scheme, just using it as an example of the hard work involved. Therefore i dont think we have any rights in that respect. I subscribe to the view that if you own something you should be able to do whatever you like with it and that its your business.
I am facing a dilema with my Huricane although its along way from being painted, i really am not keen on the Russian paint scheme, I much prefer to see RAF roundels and camo. After spending thousands of pounds and probably nearly as many hours am i doomed to look at my bird in a paint scheme that in fact as far as i am concerned ruins the look of her? If having ignored its original paint scheme do i then refuse to display it?. I must add i am undecided on the paint scheme but it is giving me a headache. I have even considered looking around for other identities.:rolleyes:

ERM…..

or maybe….

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TT

If you own a Spit or anything else its your right to paint it any colour you want, its no one’s business except your own.

But if we pay good money to go and see these aircraft, some of which goes to the operators. Then surely the operators could make the effort to get things exactly right 🙂

Indeed if you keep something private it is your business – however if you exhibit something at a National museum and gain a privledge for doing so you are highly likely to find it open to scrutiny. I wouldn’t expect to put a picture up in the Tate Modern and find everyone likes it!

New years resoloution

David and MarkV…I guess I did not make my point very clearly. I was referring to a small but vocal group of people who bitch and complain about a paint scheme simply because they don’t like it, not because they are concerned about how accurate the paint scheme is. The point you make MarkV is very valid. Perhaps in my analogy I should have said something like: if I had painted my walls pale green and you walked in and took one look and said “Urrrrgh, I hate that!” without even being asked what you thought of the colour, well wouldn’t that be just plain rude? Commenting on the historical accuracy of a paint scheme is fine, but those who bleat about not liking the colours or choice of markings well, that’s a different matter in my book.

How did a humerous post about news years resolutions turn into a discusion about paint???? I for one surport Ashleys post, it might be a joke to slag someone off but its no joke if its about you. If you own a Spit or anything else its your right to paint it any colour you want, its no one’s business except your own.

Good points Ashley

But I would like to add one, if you need to vent on someone or such, use PM thats better than airing dirty laundry for all to see on a public forum hey word”PUBLIC”:o

Good advise

New Year resolutions for the historic forum:

1) Those who continue to peddle their vendettas, what ever these may be. Please stop. Enough is enough. Time to move on? Locked horns with someone? Perhaps it is time to turn the other cheek.

2) No member should be under the impression that this is just a small forum that only a few people view. Your words here are viewed here by far more people than some of you would ever give credit for or comprehend. This forum does not operate in a bubble safe from the technicalities and legalities of life. Watch what you post. Don’t make allegations about individuals or companies without the hard proof to back these allegations up.

3) When posting in anger, please think hard before posting. It is all too easy to hammer out an angry response to someone (been there done that!) but please consider your response. Reasoned arguments and hard facts are always better than abuse and garbled throw backs.

4) Do please make use of the search function. However, please be kind to new members who are perhaps not as familiar with this function. If a new member starts a thread which is similar to a previous one, feel free to post a link to the original thread/s, or introduce them nicely to the search function. We were all new here once.

5) Forum members – who are we? We come from all walks of life, with different areas of expertise and knowledge. For some aviation is their life, for others it is a hobby. It does not matter who you are, what you do, or what your level of interest/knowledge is, it is all good. Please continue to share with each other, and to learn from each other. Please be tolerant of views that are different to yours, and don’t shoot someone down just because they have a different opinion to yours.

6) One personal pet peeve of mine – the gnashing and wailing of teeth from those who dislike the paint scheme someone gives their aircraft. If you came around to my house and told me you did not like the way I had decorated the place, and then proceeded to tell me how I should have done it, then believe me, I would kick you out the front door so hard you would be wondering what hit you :diablo: So what if the paint scheme is not 100% authentic, is it your aircraft? Yes, then do something about it if you wish to. No? Try zipping it. No wonder some owners are so secretive about their aircraft given the way some people behave over a colour scheme.

Just some thoughts 🙂

This post has some very good advise aspecially point 2, having recent personal experiance of being the butt of some of the less attractive posts and the related fall out This post is well worth taking on board.

Should be done tomorrow or Wednesday. Legends in the Air is finally going out tomorrow as well, it would have gone last week but our local Post Office decided to close for the whole of the Xmas holiday!

Mine is to finally launch an online aviation channel!

My personal resolution is to try and get off my a*** and do something more productive research wise. I’ve sat and festered long enough, it’s time I started using what little I have learnt to help myself learn more. God knows there’s enough I want and need to know.

Regards,

kev35

Cmon you have no excuse at all being form Croydon.

Me and the missus went last for the first show in 2006 and we live near Edinburgh.

And it wasnt a quick 5 + 1/2 hours down the a1 it was the long way round. Over to the M6, M5, M4 to Warminster to our digs for the week which is a 8hour plus journey then stop overnight and then another 3 hour journey through Milton Keynes to Biggleswade. But it was well worth the effort and highly recommended.

Just get yourself up there man. You will not regret it.

You are of course right and i should not make excuses, I also have a new job now which means i work less weekends , So i am determined i will make it there this year, If not you all have permission to kick me(gently please).

*To finally go to Old Warden as i have wanted to for years.

Cmon you have no excuse at all being form Croydon.

Me and the missus went last for the first show in 2006 and we live near Edinburgh.

And it wasnt a quick 5 + 1/2 hours down the a1 it was the long way round. Over to the M6, M5, M4 to Warminster to our digs for the week which is a 8hour plus journey then stop overnight and then another 3 hour journey through Milton Keynes to Biggleswade. But it was well worth the effort and highly recommended.

Just get yourself up there man. You will not regret it.

I vote Old Warden for the next get together. 🙂

I would be up for that.

Think bigger things Martin, think bigger things!!;)

I seem to remember as a young I loved it so much because my Dad despised the scheme in an equal measure.

I seem to remember comments along the lines of it shudnt be allowed.

But yes it did look the dogs danglies as they say. Stunning.

Although saying that the Hunter and Sea fury also looked pretty good in similar schemes.

Will keep a not of your contact details Mark. Sit waiting by the phone and the contract is yours. 😉