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Nieuport 24 takes to the sky

Yesterday the Nieuport 24 of our museum finally made its first flight since it arrived in Europe many years ago.

It was part of the Ryder collection and came to Belgium together with the Albatros D.Va, Fokker D.VII and D.VIII, Nieuport 28 and Sopwith Camel.

This aircraft has a rotary-engine and our chief-pilot doesn’t have any experience with that, so we went looking for somebody who did.

Mr Jean-Pierre Lafille came over from France and performed its second ‘first’ flight..

Photos can be found on our website http://www.stampe.be

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By: Mr.Tipsy - 10th October 2007 at 20:02

Not to mention a case or two of de Konincks beer!! 😀

PS. Hows the Nipper coming on Mr Tipsy?

It will be a long term rebuilt, as I’m still studying and don’t really have the money to finish it off.

But if everything goes according to my plans, you can maybe expect it at Sywell 2013 or so

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By: low'n'slow - 10th October 2007 at 17:22

Now thats a great idea, you would be more than welcome if you could bring some of your WW1 A/C over??:)

Not to mention a case or two of de Konincks beer!! 😀

PS. Hows the Nipper coming on Mr Tipsy?

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By: The Blue Max - 10th October 2007 at 08:05

How about a Belgian flying visit (with D-VII too) to the 2008 Sywell Airshow 😎

Now thats a great idea, you would be more than welcomb if you could bring some of your WW1 A/C over??:)

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By: Bager1968 - 10th October 2007 at 00:26

Site worked just fine this time… nice planes and nice photos. 😀

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By: low'n'slow - 8th October 2007 at 18:53

Thanks for the etymology stuff. I always thought erudite was what you glued things together with.

Mind you isn’t that Nieuport a stunner. A sexy-plane indeed.:D

How about a Belgian flying visit (with D-VII too) to the 2008 Sywell Airshow 😎

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By: bazv - 8th October 2007 at 18:43

Empennage?

Etymology: French, feathers of an arrow, empennage, from empenner to feather an arrow, from em- 1en- + penne feather, from Middle French — more at PEN
: the tail assembly of an airplane

Thanks Newforest for educating me..my french is as good as my maths:rolleyes:
TAILFEATHERS = exactly right for A/C tail assy

But seriously the photos are great,be wonderful to see the DV11 flying again,I always thought they looked just right,but then again it was designed by a practical engineer(not Herr Fokker !!)
Anthony Fokker’s autobio is a good read if you can find a copy!!!!

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By: Mr.Tipsy - 8th October 2007 at 18:24

I just added some more photos to the website

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By: Newforest - 8th October 2007 at 12:14

Bottom line of this story: the whole reason for the evolution of aircraft was to make it easier for photographers to get good photos of them. 😀

Nice to have some humour at the end of the maths lesson, it was getting a bit deep there!:D

Also sesquiplanes creeping into this thread!

http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=74946

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By: Moggy C - 8th October 2007 at 12:05

What superbly erudite contributions to this thread – brilliant 😀

Moggy

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By: Newforest - 8th October 2007 at 11:35

Yes many aircraft related words are of french origin!

Aileron = little wing
Longeron = little keel (longue = keel)
Hangar = shed

although I am a little unclear as to the exact translation/derivation of ‘Empenage’ ??:rolleyes:

Empennage?

Etymology: French, feathers of an arrow, empennage, from empenner to feather an arrow, from em- 1en- + penne feather, from Middle French — more at PEN
: the tail assembly of an airplane

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By: Archer - 8th October 2007 at 10:45

Thanks Archer, yes, no complaints, the subject’s lovely, I’d just not seen a prop ‘stopped’ like that before!

Looking at the take-off shot on the page the prop rotated some 10 degrees in the 1/500th of a second that the shutter was open. That means that it would make one rotation in 36 * 1/500 = 36/500 seconds or 0,072 seconds. Dividing 60 seconds by 0,072 gives 833 which would mean that this particular engine/prop combination runs at approx. 830 rpm at take-off power. That’s very slow compared to the 2200-2700 rpm that a regular piston engine runs at. My calculations may be off of course (the rpm is probably higher, nearer 1000 rpm) but this gives an idea.

Going back to the photographic issue, to get some prop blur on a photo of this aircraft you need the prop to make 1/3 to 1/2 of a rotation which needs a shutter speed of 0,5 * 0,072 = 0,036 seconds which is almost 1/30 of a second. Shooting with a shutter speed like that at a moving target from a moving aircraft will most likely blur your whole photo, not just the prop.

Bottom line of this story: the whole reason for the evolution of aircraft was to make it easier for photographers to get good photos of them. 😀

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By: bazv - 8th October 2007 at 09:25

Nope, that’s just the name. Sesquiplane, like ‘nacelle’ and ‘fuselage’ are just the usual terms used in English, from the French. They got ‘Le Picknik’ in return. 😀 Talking about a one and a half wing aircraft could lead to confusion, not to mention spins… 😉

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Yes many aircraft related words are of french origin!

Aileron = little wing
Longeron = little keel (longue = keel)
Hangar = shed

although I am a little unclear as to the exact translation/derivation of ‘Empenage’ ??:rolleyes:

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By: JDK - 8th October 2007 at 08:21

From the EXIF: 1/2000 was the shutterspeed for the air-to-air shots. That will completely freeze most props but especially a slow moving one attached to a rotary. I guess the photographer played it safe, making sure that he got some good photos from this special occasion and leaving the minor aesthetic issues aside.

Thanks Archer, yes, no complaints, the subject’s lovely, I’d just not seen a prop ‘stopped’ like that before!

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By: Archer - 8th October 2007 at 08:12

Don’t know about the shutter speed..

From the EXIF: 1/2000 was the shutterspeed for the air-to-air shots. That will completely freeze most props but especially a slow moving one attached to a rotary. I guess the photographer played it safe, making sure that he got some good photos from this special occasion and leaving the minor aesthetic issues aside.

Great to see it back in the air!

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By: Newforest - 8th October 2007 at 07:56

OK, I can get to the “home” page, but everything else produces a white page with “Service not available”! 🙁

Home page, Welcome, news, no problem!:confused:

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By: JDK - 8th October 2007 at 05:18

Ah yes, the old ‘one and a half wings’, been checking the dictionary again?:D

Nope, that’s just the name. Sesquiplane, like ‘nacelle’ and ‘fuselage’ are just the usual terms used in English, from the French. They got ‘Le Picknik’ in return. 😀 Talking about a one and a half wing aircraft could lead to confusion, not to mention spins… 😉

Sesquiplanes weren’t that unusual, and I think allowed the strength of a biplane construction with less drag and thus speed / manoeuvrability advantages. Just another corner of the envelope and opposite multiplanes…

Thanks, Mr Tipsy.

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By: Bager1968 - 8th October 2007 at 01:51

OK, I can get to the “home” page, but everything else produces a white page with “Service not available”! 🙁

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By: The Blue Max - 7th October 2007 at 22:40

Be good to see it airborn again, i last saw that fly out in Ireland, my father flew it alot for the many films made at the time:)

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By: Mr.Tipsy - 7th October 2007 at 20:17

Fantastic!!:) well done all. tell me, is the DVII airworthy??

We’re working to get the D.VII back in the sky.

It was assembled some months ago and it has also had its first engine-run. (the Gipsy Queen engine was overhauled by ARCo)

We still have to finish off the angle of the wings and some little work here and there..

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By: Mr.Tipsy - 7th October 2007 at 20:15

Congratulations!

A couple of questions – what shutter speed was the photographer using? It looks like a ‘fixed prop’ rather than a rotary! 😀

Is it still on the ‘N’ register?

Don’t know about the shutter speed..

It’s still registered as N2262G

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