NK fielding R-27 clone

Hehe Brazil could get some help from Nk for our VLS project . Serious !!! As we had already sighned the missile technology control and the TNT there is no worry… only Uncle Sam gettting angry at us .

NK has been a nut for a very long time, not just after the Neocons came to power in D.C. the father-son combo has ruined the nation.
Albania under invar hoxha is about the only comparable example.

Imo they are desperate and ready to sell out , but the pushing and shoving is about the “price”. expect to see a merger between NK and SK within 10-15 yrs perhaps preceded by a bloody beating of the NK regime dished out by the US to precipitate matters.

the current Great Leader kim jong’s main hobby is bedding blonde scandanavian women his embassies fly out on contract for a few months each.

The north koreans are spending alot of new rockets at the expense of feeding its own people. This is sad.

Perhaps if the most powerful country in the world would stop calling it an evil empire and have troops on its border removed then the NK might feel less threatened. Right now no one wants to buy NK consumer products… if all it can sell is missiles then what do you think it should work hard to improve?

The north koreans are spending alot of new rockets at the expense of feeding its own people. This is sad.

I also think the present effort made to stop NK’s nuclear program to be pointless. It cannot be verified, and even if they stop, with these new rockets and with CW/BW warheads, they are also equally dangerous.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3531956.stm

N Korea missiles ‘could reach US’
TV footage of a previous North Korean missile test
N Korea has already proved it has missiles, by publicly testing them
North Korea is in the process of developing a new missile system for ships or submarines, according to a report in Jane’s Defence Weekly.

Such a system could “fundamentally alter the missile threat” posed by Pyongyang, as it would then be able to target the entire US, the report says.

A companion land-based missile is thought to have been developed already.

The systems are based on the now decommissioned Soviet R-27 submarine-launched ballistic missile.

The report, published in the authoritative Jane’s Defence Weekly, says the land-based system has an estimated range of 2,500km to 4,000km (1,500 miles to 2,500 miles) while the sea-based system is thought to be capable of hitting a target more than 2,500km away.

Map shows range of Taepodong 1 missile, flown over Japan in 1998. Range 1,500-2,000 km, payload: 1,000 kg
Evidence that North Korea preparing flight test of Taepodong 2. Range up to 8,000 km (could reach western US)
Evidence from Jane’s Defence of a pair of new ballistic missiles – one sea-based
Other missiles: Scud-B: Range 300 km, payload 1,000 kg
Scud-C: Range 500 km, payload 7600-800 kg
Scud-D (Nodong): Range 1,000-1,300 km, payload: 700-1,000 kg

“These new land and sea-based systems appreciably expand the ballistic missile threat presented by the DPRK [North Korea],” the report said.

But the most significant part of the new developments appears to be the sea-based missile, as it could be transported almost anywhere in the world by submarine or ship.

Such a system “could finally provide [the North Korean] leadership with something that it has long sought to obtain – the ability to directly threaten the continental US,” the report warns.

Ian Kemp, the news editor of Jane’s Defence Weekly, said only five other countries have this capability: the declared nuclear powers of the US, the UK, France, China and Russia.

He told BBC News Online that North Korea was “almost certainly” developing the missile with the intention of adding nuclear warheads.

Pyongyang could also be intending to sell its new missiles to another country, although according to Jane’s, there is no evidence that any attempt has been made so far.

Iran would appear the ideal customer, the Jane’s report says, “given its requirement for a system capable of striking Israel from the security of its own territory”.

A spokeswoman for the US state department declined to comment specifically on the apparent new threat.

Darla Jordan told BBC News Online simply: “The US will continue to work closely with other like-minded countries to address North Korea’s nuclear efforts.”

Mystery regime

Information about North Korea’s military capabilities is notoriously sketchy, given the ultra-secretive nature of its communist regime.

The US and North Korea remain deadlocked over Pyongyang’s controversial nuclear programme, and the isolated Stalinist nation has long been seen as a threat to regional security.

North Korea has already proved it owns short-range missiles such as the Taepodong 1, which is capable of reaching a target up to 2,000km away.

A Taepodong 1 was fired over Japanese territory in 1998, landing in the Pacific Ocean and causing much alarm in Tokyo.

Correspondents say there is mounting evidence that Pyongyang has also been working on a missile with a much longer range, the Taepodong 2, which is thought to be capable of reaching targets 8,000km away, such as Hawaii or Alaska.

According to Mr Kemp, there is no evidence that the advent of the new missiles will affect the completion of the Taepodong 2.

The two systems could be complementary, he said.

Lol.

That makes three that thought we were talking about the AA-10….lol.

I was gonna say…….those North Koreans are incredibly ingenious to come up with a ballistic missile based off the Alamo.

Can you imagine an Alamo the size of a Minuteman. 🙂

Me too….. 😀

Oh, that R-27! I thought you were talking about the Alamo.

They have definitely lengthened it and increased the range. The original R-27 and R-27U have ranges of 2,400km and 3,000km respectively. I wonder about warhead accuracy though. Have they improved on the old guidance systems for the warhead(s)? The standard R-27/SS-N-6 has got a CEP of nearly 2km!

May 4, 2004 :: The Chosun Ilbo (S. Korea) :: News
North Korea is currently building additional bases for mobile intermediate range missiles with a range of 4,000km which are capable of reaching Hawaii, reports the South Korean Chosun Ilbo newspaper. United States intelligence satellites have identified some 10 new ballistic missiles and launchers at two locations which were not their previously, said an unidentified official: “One of the new bases was in Yangdok, 80 kilometers east of the capital Pyongyang, and the other was in Hochon in South Hamgyong province, the official said.” The same source noted that “these bases are assumed to be the bases for new ballistic missiles and not for Scuds or Ro Dong-1 missiles.”

The Chosun Ilbo reports further that these new missiles may be of Russian origin:

The new ballistic missile is presumed to be a modified model of the former Soviet Union’s SS-N-6 submarine-launched ballistic missile, and was originally expected to be revealed to the public at the 9 September festival [founding anniversary of the DPRK] in 2003. North Korea, however, only moved 10 of these missiles and five mobile launching pads to the Mirim Airport, where the parade was prepared, but did not actually show them during the parade.

This missile is 12 metres long and 1.5 metres wide, and is thus shorter than the Ro Dong-1 (15 metres long) and Taepo Dong-1 (23 metres), but its range is much longer and is evaluated to be more advanced in technology.

Relevant authorities believe that former Soviet missile scientists may have directly participated in the development or at least Russian technology was utilized in [the building of the] missile, whose development started in the early 1990s and whose existence was first confirmed by ROK and US intelligence authorities in 2000.
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Dimensions seem to differ slightly from the R-27.