No. of Anti-Ship missiles

Yes, the video is of a French Navy SINKEX in 2004. The target was EE Vauquelin, a 4,000t decommissioned destroyer built in 1956.
According to this website, it was hit by:
– 2x 500lb Paveway LGBs from Super Etendards
– 1x MM38 Exocet from Duquesne
– 3x SM1 missiles from Jean Bart (that’s the video clip)
– 80x 100mm & many 20mm rounds from both destroyers

Despite all the above, the ship did not sink – possibly because there was no fuel, munitions & other flammable materials onboard.
Ultimately it had to be scuttled with explosives. This gives a good idea of the relative difficulty of sinking even a fairly small ship
(by today’s standards) with anything other than torpedoes or heavy bombs.
Here’s a series of pictures:

And in honor of its sterling Cold War service:
Indian Ocean (1960s?), in its original AA configuration

After a thorough anti-submarine refit (1980s?)

From here: http://www.alabordache.fr/marine/espacemarine/desarme/escorteurdescadre/vauquelin/photo.php

The missile is not VL so, for ESSM, it’d have to be from launched from a Mk29.That narrows the possibilities down to a relative few contenders and none of those services crews wear French working rig!.

Then you look at what seems to be an ARBB33 antenna above the ‘goofers gallery’ fixed on the angle bracket and, behind that, in shot every now and again I think we get a Syracuse SATCOM dome. Plus the expend decoy launcher at the end of the clip looks very much like DAGAIE!.

Put it all together and the only thing that fits is Cassard….so we get Mk13 and SM-1MR block whatever.

Oh yeah all that and its on the French version of Youtube! 😀

Unless I miss my guess thats a French Cassard firing from her Mk13. That would make the missiles SM-1’s of some flavour?

I was trying to decipher it based on the quantity of smoke ( LOL ) as even if you can catch a frame of the missile it’s tough to tell because it’s blurry. Looking at it again though it does make a bigger *boom* at the end that the Sparrow missiles I’ve seen in vids.

Unless I miss my guess thats a French Cassard firing from her Mk13. That would make the missiles SM-1’s of some flavour?

Here’s another video of SAMs being used in the antiship role. Hard to tell if it’s Standard or ESSM as their configuration is similar but it appears to be ESSM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TbOxz4r-27w

Nakat was fitted with rack to fire the Onix (Yakhont’s proper name)

One Nanuchka class ship was re-fitted with 2×6 Yakhont, IIRC.

No it was refitted with racks for that many missile tubes, they may have just been for trials to test locations.

South Korean KDX-3 also has 16 AShM launchers plus whatever she’ll carry in the VLS. That’s an exception though, as the rest of the ships in the fleet carries standard 8.

China has some with 16 as does Russia and (I think) South Korea.

I think the Indian Navy is the only Navy in the world that has a brand new design for 16 AshM destroyer.

China has stopped building 16 AshM destroyers some time ago, the last being the Type 052B series in 2003. Since then, every ship only has eight but featured much more comprehensive aerial defenses.

South Korean KDX-3 also has 16 AShM launchers plus whatever she’ll carry in the VLS. That’s an exception though, as the rest of the ships in the fleet carries standard 8.

HMAS Hobart was hit with three sparrows on 17 june 1968 fired by USAF F-4s from the seventh airforce, killing 2 sailors and injuring 7 more. repairs in subic bay undertaken. dont know if the sparrows locked on, but asume they did making a boresight aiming even more difficult

Interesting………………I wonder could a Aircraft target a ship and fire a Sparrow at it???

Turkish Alan M Sumner class destroyer DM-357 Muavenet was hit by two Sea Sparrow missiles fired from USS Saratoga. There was a detailed report published during the case opened by the relatives of the KIA personnel. IIRC, the Saratoga had full radar lock onto the Muavenet.

5 seamen died in the incident, including the commander of the ship. The missiles completely destroyed the forward bridge section of the ship. It was later scrapped.

The video sequence of the missiles firing was later released, I believe they can be found on YT. There are also photos of Muavenet after the explosions on the net.

Really, is a 1,000 lbs class anti-ship missile really needed? Seem like a smaller missile would be more effective. Especially, if carried in greater numbers and similar range…………….

Remember, most modern warships have little or no armor!:eek:

Small missiles have smaller range, and that puts you in danger of any decent SAM systems.

You idea of a missile with a 40lbs warhead sinking anything is quite – err – half baked. You’d need quite a lot of them. With HE warheads preferably.

I am considering the scenario of a Navy which has its main objective as Sea Denial somebody like Soviets or chinese. they can afford large warships and might want to carry much more than 8 missiles, So that salvo launch of say 16 to 32 Subsonic Anti-ship missiles on Enemy fleet can do conisiderable damage and also considering each modern frigate/destroyer are carrying anywhere between 30 to 60 SAMs and at times many more point defence missiles, they would capable handling multiple anti-ship attacks aimed at saturating the defences.

the more SSMs launched simultaneously, the more advantage for a Sea Denial Navy trying to defend from large fleet like USN CBGs isn’t it?

I think the Indian Navy is the only Navy in the world that has a brand new design for 16 AshM destroyer.

China has stopped building 16 AshM destroyers some time ago, the last being the Type 052B series in 2003. Since then, every ship only has eight but featured much more comprehensive aerial defenses.

Makes you wonder about SM-6 and it’s active seeker and cooperative engagement capability.

I was thinking of the same thing…………..of course that would be a expensive solution. Yet, it may still be worth while……….:cool:

Whatever the horizon of the FC radar is, usually in the range of 12 or so miles.

Makes you wonder about SM-6 and it’s active seeker and cooperative engagement capability.

Man, and that was from a SM-1………….do you know the range of a SM-1 or SM-2 in a surface to surface role?

Whatever the horizon of the FC radar is, usually in the range of 12 or so miles.

This can play it:

http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-13632_4-10467081.html

the clip is up on youtube but damned if I can find it.

Man, and that was from a SM-1………….do you know the range of a SM-1 or SM-2 in a surface to surface role?

Sorry, I can’t get it to play for some reason????:(

This can play it:

http://www.download.com/FLV-Player/3000-13632_4-10467081.html

the clip is up on youtube but damned if I can find it.

Here’s that vid.

http://www.xmission.com/~sferrin/ss_attack.flv

Sorry, I can’t get it to play for some reason????:(

Really, is a 1,000 lbs class anti-ship missile really needed? Seem like a smaller missile would be more effective. Especially, if carried in greater numbers and similar range…………….

Remember, most modern warships have little or no armor!:eek:

Here’s that vid.

http://www.xmission.com/~sferrin/ss_attack.flv