North Korea Goes Nuclear

Thats a good suggestion ChiCumRen, from a point of view of benefits to people of North Korea, but perhaps a better way would be if the N.Korean government were to be replaced with a pro-democracy one that would accept aid and advice from the interanational community, and attempt a period of reconciliation with the south, ultimately with an aim of reunification.

I know this scenario is highly unlikely, but I imagine the same was thought of east and west Germany thirty years ago.

it is actually the best idea if China simply just reabsorb North Korea. China already have 1 million Korean in the country we call Chaoxian. Most regular N.Korean want to come to China anyway (because if they go south, their south korean brother will shoot them). The ones already in China already can make a living and have jobs, infact the education level and income level is actually higher than the average Chinese. They will be better off under PRC than under KJI because at least PRC can take care of them. Even in history, the northern region was part of China anyway under Chinese dynasties like Gaoguoli and Bohai. It is more peaceful and humanitarian approach than all out war.

They wouldn’t dare to sell their nukes to anyone who was bound to use them. If the weapons were then used then the source could be traced to North Korea by studying the isotope composition of the weapon, then the brown stuff would hit the fan for the N.Koreans bigtime. If their weapon was proved to have been detonated against another nuclear power, you can bet that there would be a retaliatory nuclear strike.

Kim Jong Il is alot of things, but stupid and suicidal he is not.

I didn’t realise it would be possible to identify the isotope composition, of an exploded nuclear device, which would lead back to the supplier. Thanks for putting me straight on that one, always nice to learn something new. However it may still be possible for terrorists to steal some plutonium from another country, and use this in a nuke. Fortunately I understand it’s very difficult to construct a nuke, without specialist knowledge. Hopefully NK won’t build a basic device, for someone else to install the Plutonium, from a stolen source. Otherwise this could make tracing the origin of the device impossible.
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They wouldn’t dare to sell their nukes to anyone who was bound to use them. If the weapons were then used then the source could be traced to North Korea by studying the isotope composition of the weapon, then the brown stuff would hit the fan for the N.Koreans bigtime. If their weapon was proved to have been detonated against another nuclear power, you can bet that there would be a retaliatory nuclear strike.

Kim Jong Il is alot of things, but stupid and suicidal he is not.

That’s an interesting argument, but if they can develop the nukes so that they are small enough to be concealed or at least deliverable, then they could be a useful deterrent, wouldn’t you say? They could hide them in a cave, and threaten to use them on any Korea or any staging grounds for an invasion force.

You could have a point there, especially if they have sold them to Terrorists around the world. The North Koreans would have the edge, and even nuking them woudn’t help.
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Well when GW comes calling, all hell will break loose. So I guess NK Nukes wont protect them, or anyone else for that matter. I hope it wont happen, but as I have said before, Nukes don’t make you any safer. Your’e better off not having them at all.

Armageddon may be just around the corner.
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That’s an interesting argument, but if they can develop the nukes so that they are small enough to be concealed or at least deliverable, then they could be a useful deterrent, wouldn’t you say? They could hide them in a cave, and threaten to use them on any Korea or any staging grounds for an invasion force.

Keyed in yes, but i think you will find that GW , his cohorts and their bull in a china ( no pun intended! ) shop mentality when it comes to diplomacy has been the cause of a fair bit of the escalation .

NK are and have been sitting there waiting for GW to come calling…hardly any wonder they are looking at the ultimate deterrence.

Well when GW comes calling, all hell will break loose. So I guess NK Nukes wont protect them, or anyone else for that matter. I hope it wont happen, but as I have said before, Nukes don’t make you any safer. Your’e better off not having them at all.

Armageddon may be just around the corner.
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I don’t know…we’ve been on the ground in Korea since 1950, dealing with the communist regime as it developed and became what it is today. I’d assume we’re pretty well keyed in to what’s going on with nK.

Keyed in yes, but i think you will find that GW , his cohorts and their bull in a china ( no pun intended! ) shop mentality when it comes to diplomacy has been the cause of a fair bit of the escalation .

NK are and have been sitting there waiting for GW to come calling…hardly any wonder they are looking at the ultimate deterrence.

Or Isreal …strange that isnt it…A Nuclear power, constantly invading its neighbours territories, guilty of massive human rights abuse,murdering foreign peace keepers, non-compliance with UN resolutions, etc etc etc….

Preaching to the choir 😀

And strange to say Former Japanese Deputy Foreign Minister Tanaka , who probably knows more about the Korean situation than most, seems to think that comments made by GW in the past didnt exactly help peace and tranquility in the region….

I don’t know…we’ve been on the ground in Korea since 1950, dealing with the communist regime as it developed and became what it is today. I’d assume we’re pretty well keyed in to what’s going on with nK.

Responsibility..

Have to agree that there are some regimes where possession of such weapons is a concern.

But how do we judge who should have them and who should’nt?

Is Israel a fit state with its ultra right wing attitudes of my country at any cost?

Is GW a fit president with his christian fundamentalist backers?

Is Tony the poodle to be trusted with his ” America right or wrong” point of view ?

and it goes on and on…

I remember at the height of the cold War someone suggested that we look at it from the point of view of a Russian. ” Surrounded ” by China , Various American backed Governments in Europe ,the Middle and Far east….

NK will be looking at things in a similar vein.

Who should have nukes? well I guess that’s not an easy question to answer . I reckon any country that can be trusted to use them only as a last resort, have a right to have them. It’s not an ideal world and that’s the way it is.
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The nuclear weapon cannot be un-made, so it is necessary for nations to maintain some nuclear weapons. It is any nations right to have a nuclear program.

However, it is not neccesarily in the best interest of the current nuclear powers to let anyone new into the club, so the behavior that they are displaying is not hypocritical, it is as simple as looking out for number one.

Personally I think that nuclear proliferation can only be a bad thing. The more nuclear weapons are developed my unstable nations, the more likely some crazy dictator will get to use them, or will pass them on to someone who will.

It is my honest opinion that North Korea should be prevented from developing these weapons, even if it means a black op. to destroy their reactors. The North Korean regime is simply too dangerous to the world to let it have its own way.

Have to agree that there are some regimes where possession of such weapons is a concern.

But how do we judge who should have them and who should’nt?

Is Israel a fit state with its ultra right wing attitudes of my country at any cost?

Is GW a fit president with his christian fundamentalist backers?

Is Tony the poodle to be trusted with his ” America right or wrong” point of view ?

and it goes on and on…

I remember at the height of the cold War someone suggested that we look at it from the point of view of a Russian. ” Surrounded ” by China , Various American backed Governments in Europe ,the Middle and Far east….

NK will be looking at things in a similar vein.

The nuclear weapon cannot be un-made, so it is necessary for nations to maintain some nuclear weapons. It is any nations right to have a nuclear program.

However, it is not neccesarily in the best interest of the current nuclear powers to let anyone new into the club, so the behavior that they are displaying is not hypocritical, it is as simple as looking out for number one.

Personally I think that nuclear proliferation can only be a bad thing. The more nuclear weapons are developed my unstable nations, the more likely some crazy dictator will get to use them, or will pass them on to someone who will.

It is my honest opinion that North Korea should be prevented from developing these weapons, even if it means a black op. to destroy their reactors. The North Korean regime is simply too dangerous to the world to let it have its own way.

Crossing the Rubicon.

Neither would I….not when all you would need to do is load it onto a Ship and sail it into any port you like…Or load it into a Jet and send it out on what looks like a normal cargo flight under a ” neutral ” flag and hey presto..one nuke capable bomber.

Yes it will be a suicide mission for NK also, and anyone else who is capable. This is why the present situation is very dangerous for world peace. No one is a winner with nukes, and swift retaliation will set the world on fire. The human race has nearly reached the point of no return, all because of nuclear proliferation.
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I don’t think it’s that easy to make a nuclear bomb, we would have known about it by now. Soviet warheads for sale? I don’t think setting up a warhead would be that easy, just think of the weight of the thing. The rest I will leave to your imagination….
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should i have said fusion or atomic rather than nuclear?…lets just say a big dirty great bomb that kills a lot of people and leaves ground zero uninhabitable for years.

But apart from that…with money anything is available in the former Soviet Union, Materials and knowhow .

I am though amazed that we havent had such an incident already.

Absolutely right, this weapon means power, they are up with the big boys now. However they are now in a more dangerous position , than they were before. With Nukes, one mistake and that’s the end. Paradoxically this now puts them in a weaker position, if their technology isn’t as good as ours. All it takes is one cruise missile, fired from an aircraft, or sub. If I were NK I would not launch an ICBM…
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Neither would I….not when all you would need to do is load it onto a Ship and sail it into any port you like…Or load it into a Jet and send it out on what looks like a normal cargo flight under a ” neutral ” flag and hey presto..one nuke capable bomber.

Yes the latter would prob have to be a suicide mission but whos to say that there isnt a fanatical cadre of pilots available in NK ?

Lets not forget that we have what appears ( according to the media and Western governments ) to be the Fanatic son of a fanatic Father in charge of the country…And for once i am not talking about GW! i doubt

with regards to it being a more powerfull but dangerous position for NK, Yes it is but i reckon they think that it will be worth it in the long term..they have one hell of a bargaining chip at the mo !

1.Fear that they will be invaded.( looking at Iraq & Afghanistan )

2.boost their defenses as much as possible.

4. Use this ” new ” weapon as a negotiating tool.

Lets hope that we dont end up with another Nation and people hating the rest of us !

Absolutely right, this weapon means power, they are up with the big boys now. However they are now in a more dangerous position , than they were before. With Nukes, one mistake and that’s the end. Paradoxically this now puts them in a weaker position, if their technology isn’t as good as ours. All it takes is one cruise missile, fired from an aircraft, or sub. If I were NK I would not launch an ICBM…
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I’ve been expecting nuclear tensions to suddenly rise in the world for some time but was certainly NOT expecting it to be North Korea who caused the problems!

After growing up during the hieght of the Cold War I was thinking it would have been one of the old Russian states who would have started thinking nuclear.

why would they have to go to Nth Korea? loads of discounted former soviet warheads available!

anyway If the terrorists want to go ” Nuclear ” they could make their own without too much difficulty.

I don’t think it’s that easy to make a nuclear bomb, we would have known about it by now. Soviet warheads for sale? I don’t think setting up a warhead would be that easy, just think of the weight of the thing. The rest I will leave to your imagination….
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Simply put we should leave this situation to those who have worked for a solution and have almost achieved it in the past.

The Japanese Government were very very close to an agreement with NK which would have prevented the present escalation of tensions .They hope to achieve through diplomacy , without the inevitable loss of life incurred with any military intervention, the resolution of this troubled regions problems.

Japan wants to see a change in the ruling regime but they want to achieve this through negotiation and diplomacy…they nearly had it a few years back but it fell apart at the last minute..

To be realistic any country finding itself described as a member of the Axis of Evil will naturally react;

1.Fear that they will be invaded.( looking at Iraq & Afghanistan )

2.boost their defenses as much as possible.

3.Realising that they cannot use conventional means resort to the next
available defense..after all it was good enough for NATO in the cold
war so…

4. Use this ” new ” weapon as a negotiating tool.

Lets hope that we dont end up with another Nation and people hating the rest of us !

nK brought any commentary by the US onto itself through its own actions and rhetoric. Notice how we don’t threaten Brazil, South Africa, or Swaziland, for example.

Or Isreal …strange that isnt it…A Nuclear power, constantly invading its neighbours territories, guilty of massive human rights abuse,murdering foreign peace keepers, non-compliance with UN resolutions, etc etc etc….

And strange to say Former Japanese Deputy Foreign Minister Tanaka , who probably knows more about the Korean situation than most, seems to think that comments made by GW in the past didnt exactly help peace and tranquility in the region….