North Luffenham Hunter Museum Bound

4 actually…… cheeky git :diablo:

It wasn’t meant to be a rush job – but I’ll get on the case a.s.a.p. I know it’s so popular……lol 😀

See I knew you would know more about it than me !

Apologies for identifying your property as potentially being available, I had though it was the museums. 😮

However its about time you did something with it – its been there years !:diablo:

Cheers

It maybe worth contacting the Midland Air museum, there was a spare tailcone sat behind the Hunter there. It was damaged but maybe repairable, I’m sure XF382 will comment further if he picks up this thread.

That tailcone does actually belong to me, and is heavily damaged after suffering being shot at on Pendine ranges….. (frames shot out – skin punctured quite badly etc)

It is intended to be made displayable given the time and resources, as I wanted to show the damage from Aden cannon fire as part of the extra display material which I try and show alongside the Hunter itself.

any pics yet Dave

Metalwork repairs are required on the rear fuselage to repair flare damage and a tailcone assembly is also required.

It maybe worth contacting the Midland Air museum, there was a spare tailcone sat behind the Hunter there. It was damaged but maybe repairable, I’m sure XF382 will comment further if he picks up this thread.

Thats great news David……she is safe at last , is there any pics of the move?

all the best Matt

The Hunter was moved last Saturday with the rear fuselage moving in the previous weeks. The intention is that she will be restored to the standard that she was as the aircraft of Sqn Ldr Roger Topp 111 Squadron Black Arrows. Obviously later in her life she was modded to FGA.9 and these mods will be retained. Structurally she is in reasonable condition. Metalwork repairs are required on the rear fuselage to repair flare damage and a tailcone assembly is also required.
Sadly in the last year her ejection seat has disappeared along with canopy rails – these are required along with a myriad of other cockpit parts.
Lastly we require a nose section to graft on forward of the cockpit bulkhead.
All of this can be done with -it will just take time. If anyone lives in the area and can help please PM me.

I am looking forward to the day when Air Commodore Roger Topp can sit in it again!

Have just read the East Anglian Daily Times and they state that it will be restored, and the museum have been offered a H A S as an extension to the museum in which to do the work. Apparently, according to the museum spokesperson, this aircraft was with 111 Sqn at Wattisham in the 50’s

I’ve had it reported to me that XG194 has now indeed moved and is now to be found at AAC Wattisham. There’s been an article in the local paper regarding this apparently.

How did Mark Hanna/OFMC come by the one at Dux?

You might well find that he was a serving RAF officer at the time it moved to Duxford.

The example at Dx that was acquired by OFMC was i believe actually flown by MH when he was a serving officer in the RAF, hence why that particular example was chosen.!
Incidentally when being interviewed several years later, Mark stood in awe whilst looking at the Phantom and remarked “i’m amazed now how i actually managed to fly that”… or words to that effect.

UK owns its F-4K/M, they were not $-funded. But the F-4Ms were B43 nuclear-capable, so under the Arms Reduction Treaties with (Russia) there is, ah, sensitivity on disposal.

The treaties that covered nuclear capable aircraft are the likes of START/SALT/SORT. These cover heavy strategic long-range nuclear capable bombers such as Tu-160, Tu-95MS, B-52, B-2, etc. Not even UK based F-111s or F-15s come under the nuclear treaties signed with Russia.

The F-4s come under CFE (Conventional Armed Forces in Europe Treaty). F-15s based in the UK are nuclear capable but don’t come under the strategic arms reduction treaties. RAF Lakenheath is monitored and inspected under the CFE Treaty. Not by the Russians now as they have withdrawn from CFE.

List of aircraft under CFE treaty

http://www.dod.mil/acq/acic/treaties/cfe/protocols/exist_equip.htm

The Hunter is being transfered from one military establishment to another so the issue of E-Disposals or any other disposal agency doesn’t come into it.

:diablo: I knew they’d get it out of you one way or another!! 😀

UK owns its F-4K/M, they were not $-funded. But the F-4Ms were B43 nuclear-capable, so under the Arms Reduction Treaties with (Russia) there is, ah, sensitivity on disposal.

You might well find that he was a serving RAF officer at the time it moved to Duxford.

Adding to what Stacey has said – unfortunately unless you have a millitary inventory the chances of getting your hands on a Phantom are incredibly slim -the Tangmere machine was saved because it’s on an RAF museum inventory.

How did Mark Hanna/OFMC come by the one at Dux?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0on20KLGk4I

The Hunter is being transfered from one military establishment to another so the issue of E-Disposals or any other disposal agency doesn’t come into it.
The airframe belonged to AEOD which is part of 5131 BD Squadron -part of RAF Wittering -not an agency as such .

None of this means that any of the other airframes will be leaving North Luffenham – they are there for a purpose . Adding to what Stacey has said – unfortunately unless you have a millitary inventory the chances of getting your hands on a Phantom are incredibly slim -the Tangmere machine was saved because it’s on an RAF museum inventory.

Thanks for clarifying Stacey24b

oh & the links TwinOtter23 😀

😀 Here we go again! http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showpost.php?p=1446092&postcount=8

if the phantom were to be disposed of it ie taken off RAF charge then it would probably end up the way of other phantoms ie cut up, there are still restrictions on phantoms as they were purchased with us money i beleive

the only way to save it were to be to transfer it from one inventory holder to another and remain on MOD books, i believe this is the case with carlisles and boscomes FGR2

Pardon my ignorance, but if the EOD (a goverment agency) was putting the Hunter up for Disposal why didn’t it go through the official channels i.e. eDisposals etc?
I’m not complaining (rather pleased it was kept away from the scrapman, paintballers), but I know of three parties/organizations that would be interested in the Phantom if it became available. Can someone involved in the Hunter’s rescue pm me with any contact details?!?

Thanks
Dave