Northwest to go for 787

I heard somewhere (Can’t remember where) that NW’s 787 would be used to replace their DC-10 fleet. I can’t see Northwestern replacing their A330s with the Dreamliner considering how long these aircraft have been in service. It wouldn’t make any sense!

It would if the 787 did a better job for less money.
NWA only pays $80m for each a330. So its not all that much lost if they sell em on.

Having said that… I think the 787s will augment the A330 fleet, replacing the DC-10s as you say

I heard somewhere (Can’t remember where) that NW’s 787 would be used to replace their DC-10 fleet. I can’t see Northwestern replacing their A330s with the Dreamliner considering how long these aircraft have been in service. It wouldn’t make any sense!

It would if the 787 did a better job for less money.
NWA only pays $80m for each a330. So its not all that much lost if they sell em on.

Having said that… I think the 787s will augment the A330 fleet, replacing the DC-10s as you say

I heard somewhere (Can’t remember where) that NW’s 787 would be used to replace their DC-10 fleet. I can’t see Northwestern replacing their A330s with the Dreamliner considering how long these aircraft have been in service. It wouldn’t make any sense!

I heard somewhere (Can’t remember where) that NW’s 787 would be used to replace their DC-10 fleet. I can’t see Northwestern replacing their A330s with the Dreamliner considering how long these aircraft have been in service. It wouldn’t make any sense!

I woukld expect more major carriers order the 787 this year. In the 50 years LH magazine, there is a statement that they will always order jets from both manufacturers and that their Boeing fleet is a little small at the moment.

I woukld expect more major carriers order the 787 this year. In the 50 years LH magazine, there is a statement that they will always order jets from both manufacturers and that their Boeing fleet is a little small at the moment.

This is a major surprise and a big dent to AB if proved correct, particularly as new 330s are being delivered to NW every month. That said, I think in part the 787 will be a 757 replacement for NW rather than an A330 replacement so maybe the issue isn’t that big a problem for AB? Just a thought. :confused:

Well I’m not entirely sure what the 787 would replace.
I think it would more likely be part of an expansion plan than actualy replacing anything.

This is a major surprise and a big dent to AB if proved correct, particularly as new 330s are being delivered to NW every month. That said, I think in part the 787 will be a 757 replacement for NW rather than an A330 replacement so maybe the issue isn’t that big a problem for AB? Just a thought. :confused:

Well I’m not entirely sure what the 787 would replace.
I think it would more likely be part of an expansion plan than actualy replacing anything.

This is a major surprise and a big dent to AB if proved correct, particularly as new 330s are being delivered to NW every month. That said, I think in part the 787 will be a 757 replacement for NW rather than an A330 replacement so maybe the issue isn’t that big a problem for AB? Just a thought. :confused:

This is a major surprise and a big dent to AB if proved correct, particularly as new 330s are being delivered to NW every month. That said, I think in part the 787 will be a 757 replacement for NW rather than an A330 replacement so maybe the issue isn’t that big a problem for AB? Just a thought. :confused:

Skyteam had a big delegation negotiating with Boeing in Seattle last fall. Don’t be surprised if more Skyteam orders appear in the months to come …. 😉

Well, that would tie in with my theory that Alliance partners are following each other.

Skyteam had a big delegation negotiating with Boeing in Seattle last fall. Don’t be surprised if more Skyteam orders appear in the months to come …. 😉

Well, that would tie in with my theory that Alliance partners are following each other.

I may have to apologise, sat here thinking about the thread and I have realised I may have misunderstood where you were coming from…I now take it you mean that alliance partners are following each other generally.

Yes… thats what I meant. Slight mental slip on my part.

I may have to apologise, sat here thinking about the thread and I have realised I may have misunderstood where you were coming from…I now take it you mean that alliance partners are following each other generally.

Yes… thats what I meant. Slight mental slip on my part.

Skyteam had a big delegation negotiating with Boeing in Seattle last fall. Don’t be surprised if more Skyteam orders appear in the months to come …. 😉

Skyteam had a big delegation negotiating with Boeing in Seattle last fall. Don’t be surprised if more Skyteam orders appear in the months to come …. 😉

I just heard from a friend I made during my banning from this forum.

He is a Northwest Airlines 757 Captainm, he said, and I quote:

it appears that NWA is VERY impressed with the 787

More evidence its won out over the A350.

I just heard from a friend I made during my banning from this forum.

He is a Northwest Airlines 757 Captainm, he said, and I quote:

it appears that NWA is VERY impressed with the 787

More evidence its won out over the A350.

…[update]…

It’s schmooze or lose in air wars

Supersalesman John Leahy helped lead Airbus past a complacent Boeing, but that great success has rejuvenated his U.S. rival

By Michael Oneal, Tribune staff reporter.
Tribune reporter David Greising contributed to this story
Published April 13, 2005
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John Leahy, the longtime sales chief of Airbus SAS, was gliding through Los Angeles in a limousine, on the way to a morning sales call, when his cell phone rang with an urgent call from Manila.

Leahy flipped open his phone and said a curt hello. Then he nodded as one of his lieutenants passed along some key intelligence.

The Airbus sales team in Asia had gleaned from its web of contacts that Yang Ho Cho, the chairman of Korean Air, had scheduled a lunch that day in Los Angeles with Leahy’s archrival, Alan Mulally, the chief executive of Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

Cho’s organization was deep in the throes of making a multibillion-dollar decision to purchase either Boeing’s new 787 Dreamliner or the Airbus A350. And Leahy wanted to seize the opportunity to outmaneuver Boeing.

“Do you know what time he’s meeting Mulally?’ Leahy asked.

In the $50 billion business of selling passenger jets, outflanking your rival often can spell the difference between winning or losing orders big enough to swing the balance of global trade. For two decades, nobody has done that better than Airbus’ indefatigable, silver-tongued salesman.

On this particular day, however, Leahy learned that Boeing had the upper hand. When he sat down with Cho over tea in the coffee shop of the Wilshire Grand Hotel, Cho told him that his technical team was leaning toward Boeing. The problem: Airbus engineers had failed to spend as much time as the Boeing team explaining why theirs was a better airplane.

“I guess we screwed up,” Leahy concluded.

What Leahy is discovering is that in the high-stakes game of selling airplanes, it may be easier to be the pursuer than the pursued. When it swept past Boeing to become the world’s largest jetmaker two years ago, Airbus roused the long-slumbering giant. And now the chase is on.

On Monday, five weeks after Leahy met with Cho, Korean Air announced it had ordered 10 Boeing 787s, while taking options on 10 more, partly because Boeing agreed to buy parts for the plane from the Koreans, souces say.

Northwest Airlines is also within days of buying 787s to update its aging fleet. Boeing and Northwest won’t comment, but sources say a key part of the deal may be upfront financing from Boeing.

The two orders give Boeing’s new program a major leg up in a battle that it had been losing badly for the past several years.

“Objectively, they’ve got the high ground right now,” Leahy said on Tuesday. “I wanted Korean and Northwest.”

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…[update]…

It’s schmooze or lose in air wars

Supersalesman John Leahy helped lead Airbus past a complacent Boeing, but that great success has rejuvenated his U.S. rival

By Michael Oneal, Tribune staff reporter.
Tribune reporter David Greising contributed to this story
Published April 13, 2005
subscriber link

John Leahy, the longtime sales chief of Airbus SAS, was gliding through Los Angeles in a limousine, on the way to a morning sales call, when his cell phone rang with an urgent call from Manila.

Leahy flipped open his phone and said a curt hello. Then he nodded as one of his lieutenants passed along some key intelligence.

The Airbus sales team in Asia had gleaned from its web of contacts that Yang Ho Cho, the chairman of Korean Air, had scheduled a lunch that day in Los Angeles with Leahy’s archrival, Alan Mulally, the chief executive of Boeing Commercial Airplanes.

Cho’s organization was deep in the throes of making a multibillion-dollar decision to purchase either Boeing’s new 787 Dreamliner or the Airbus A350. And Leahy wanted to seize the opportunity to outmaneuver Boeing.

“Do you know what time he’s meeting Mulally?’ Leahy asked.

In the $50 billion business of selling passenger jets, outflanking your rival often can spell the difference between winning or losing orders big enough to swing the balance of global trade. For two decades, nobody has done that better than Airbus’ indefatigable, silver-tongued salesman.

On this particular day, however, Leahy learned that Boeing had the upper hand. When he sat down with Cho over tea in the coffee shop of the Wilshire Grand Hotel, Cho told him that his technical team was leaning toward Boeing. The problem: Airbus engineers had failed to spend as much time as the Boeing team explaining why theirs was a better airplane.

“I guess we screwed up,” Leahy concluded.

What Leahy is discovering is that in the high-stakes game of selling airplanes, it may be easier to be the pursuer than the pursued. When it swept past Boeing to become the world’s largest jetmaker two years ago, Airbus roused the long-slumbering giant. And now the chase is on.

On Monday, five weeks after Leahy met with Cho, Korean Air announced it had ordered 10 Boeing 787s, while taking options on 10 more, partly because Boeing agreed to buy parts for the plane from the Koreans, souces say.

Northwest Airlines is also within days of buying 787s to update its aging fleet. Boeing and Northwest won’t comment, but sources say a key part of the deal may be upfront financing from Boeing.

The two orders give Boeing’s new program a major leg up in a battle that it had been losing badly for the past several years.

“Objectively, they’ve got the high ground right now,” Leahy said on Tuesday. “I wanted Korean and Northwest.”

😎